DISQUS

jrbehrman · 1 year ago

Milt is the real hero of Charlie Wilson's War.

serena1313 · 1 year ago

A few days ago a poll showed 44 percent of the American public think it is okay to torture "terrorists." That is shocking and deeply disappointing. I cannot believe we are even having this conversation. The people who engaged in carrying out the orders, those who re-wrote the laws and those who gave the orders must be brought to Justice.


Since most of our legislators have no intention of taking action others are. "A conference to plan the prosecution of President Bush and other high administration officials for war crimes will be held September 13-14 at the Massachusetts School of Law at Andover."


"This is not intended to be a mere discussion of violations of law that have occurred," said convener Lawrence Velvel, dean and cofounder of the school. "It is, rather, intended to be a planning conference at which plans will be laid and necessary organizational structures set up, to pursue the guilty as long as necessary and, if need be, to the ends of the Earth."


"We must try to hold Bush administration leaders accountable in courts of justice," Velvel said. "And we must insist on appropriate punishments, including, if guilt is found, the hangings visited upon top German and Japanese war-criminals in the 1940s."


Vincent Bugliosi, who successfully prosecuted Charles Manson, claims to have an airtight case against Bush for committing murder. He lays out the case in his newest book "The Prosecution of George W Bush for Murder" and despite the media's silence it is already on the top seller list. It has been documented that over 100 prisoners have died while being tortured.


Once out of office Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Yoo, Gonzales, Bybee, Addington in addition to all the others involved will not be able to travel outside the US; they will be arrested. Charges have already been filed in several European nations. Rumsfeld was minutes away from getting arrested in France, but made a quick getaway.


Since there is no statute of limitations on murder that means Bush and the rest could be summoned, tried and prosecuted at any time. For the remainder of their lives they will always be looking over their shoulders never knowing when. That alone is punishment, but not nearly enough! They deserve far, far worse.


It is a question of when, not if, Justice will be served.

gage · 1 year ago

Here's a link to Bugliosi's homepage with video:

http://www.prosecutionofbush.com/

bwildered · 1 year ago

I am not sure how well known it is, but John McCain signed a "confession" for war crimes he "committed" in Viet Nam.

This should be especially interesting to all those 44%..... red is positive, and black is negative....

praedor · 1 year ago

One little issue: it is not enough for the next Administration to repudiate torture, investigate the perps, and forbid its use by the CIA in the future, it must also forbid CIA training of other country's police and intelligence services on the use of torture. There is simply too much wiggle room left by a simple prohibition on the use of torture by the CIA.

OK, so the CIA cannot use torture, but can they still use proxies for torture? Can they still teach torture to outside entities (School of the Americas)?

Pinochet's torturers didn't develop their techniques in a vacuum. The US (via the CIA) was right there coaching them "to fight the commies". Only they weren't "commies", they were liberals/leftists with a developmental economic preference instead of Milton Friedman's Ayn Rand nightmare. And Argentina? Same thing. And Guatemala? Same thing. And Uraguay? Same thing.

Democratic, very popular and working well government's overthrown with the help of the CIA in order to help corporations suck the countries dry - and to do this and perpetuate the US-backed dictators, there was the CIA teaching death squads and torture techniques.

Ban torture by the CIA, yes. Ban the teaching of torture by the CIA, yes. Ban the use of paramilitary CIA agents, yes (that is a military job using legal, constitutional, and internationally-recognized rules). With all that, then we are making progress. The CIA should ONLY be in the business of collecting and analyzing intel, NOT conducting pseudo military operations, NOT teaching any techniques of population suppression and terrorism. If you want to do interrogations, then learn from the FBI how to do it right and then do it under their supervision.

wainiha · 1 year ago

It astounds me that we are even talking about torture. It astounds me that 44% of Americans think it is OK.

What happened to speak softly and carry a big stick.

The problem it seems to me is that there has become such an advantage to being the party/people in power. The idea that absolute power corrupts absolutely is proven true over and over again. The party/people in power have learned that they can steal from America and use its money, its influence, its goodwill, and its military might to their private advantage; to further them in the "war equals money" industry. So the result is that they will do anything to keep in power.

Torture is a symptom of this. It is the fear that a terrorist attack will happen and then the people will require a change in the holders of power. Those who now steal will lose that ability, and consequently the fear of that loss drives them to use any means to stay in power, even torture.

We have allowed the creation of a whole industry. A military, industrial, political, financial complex that I doubt Eisenhower even imagined. That has become the driving force in American politics. IT IS THE CAPITOLISM OF WAR that has become the growth industry in America.

America in the pursuit of WAR PROFITS has become a rogue nation, an agressor nation, and a nation of political pirates that are stealing from the sleeping, trusting Americans.

Woe to those that do this when the American Sleeper wakes up.

Soon I hope.

Party politics has been a tool to cripple the Congress in its oversight duty. Party politics and a particular party especially has been either used or taken over to allow the stealing from America.