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meningitis symptoms — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:10:16 -0000

In Arthur Allen's world of McCarthyistic pejoratives, Meryl Streep would be labeled anti-apple. And if science bloggers are worried about environmentalist RFK Jr. as EPA head, then they don't merit the appellation of "science."

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anthonyhenrysmith — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:06:21 -0000

Keep RFK out of EPA

The job at the EPA calls for someone with a keen sense of both ethics and science. Kennedy is not that person.

The following letter was written in support of Robert H. Boyle (founder of Riverkeeper and author of "The Hudson River, A natural and unnatural history") and others who resigned from Riverkeeper rather than support R. F. Kennedy, Jr.'s compromise of the principle that ethics must never be separate from science.

This letter was first published in the Putnam County News and Recorder, Cold Spring, New York, on August 30, 2000 and they have carried it on their website ever since for which they have my thanks. (AHS, 2008)

Letters:

Supports Former Riverkeeper Board Members' Action
Editor,

The Fishkill Ridge Caretakers, Inc. supports Robert H. Boyle, former president of the Riverkeeper, Inc. and former Riverkeeper, Inc. board members John Fry, treasurer, Nancy Abraham, Kathryn Belous Boyle, Pat Crow, Theresa Hanczor, Robert Hodes, Ann Tonetti and Alexander Zagoreas in the action they have taken in resigning from Riverkeeper in opposition to the hiring of a convicted environmental felon to serve in the position of staff scientist on the staff of Riverkeeper.

In issuing this statement of support, The Fishkill Ridge Caretakers wishes to emphasize that ethics cannot be separated from science and that the environmental movement will prosper best in an atmosphere of demonstrated personal responsibility and earned mutual respect.

We encourage individuals as well as environmental organizations to join us in similar expressions of support for the principled stand taken by Boyle and fellow board members in their defense of the ethical integrity of the environmental movement here in the Hudson River Valley.

Boyle and 8 of the 22 Riverkeeper board members resigned from Riverkeeper, Inc. in protest of the hiring of William Wegner. For eight years Wegner operated a ring of smugglers who stole bird eggs directly from the nests of protected cockatoo species in Australia. Wegner and his ring then smuggled the eggs by air to the United States. Birds that hatched and survived were then sold for as much as $12,500.00 each. A federal judge accepted Wegner's plea of guilty to charges of conspiracy and tax fraud and sentenced him to five years in prison. The judge also found that Wegner had attempted to obstruct justice by committing perjury at the trial of a co-defendant Wegner paid a $10,000.00 fine.

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. has stated that everyone deserves a second chance and notes that he himself had been given a second chance in that he had once been convicted of a drug offense.

We note, however, that Kennedy's offense was essentially a victimless crime while Wegner's offense was a crime against the environment, the people of Australia, the people of the United States and against the birds. In order to avoid detection during the flight, smugglers flushed newly hatched chicks down the plane's toilet

Although Wegner has been convicted and served his sentence, nothing he or anyone else can do will correct the damage he has done or make his victims whole again.

Wegner's prison sentence seems to have done little to improve his ethical sense. The resume Wegner submitted to Riverkeeper accounts for his period of incarceration without referring to the fact of the incarceration itself Wegner describes work he performed and omits the significant information that he performed this work while he was serving time as a prison inmate.

Kennedy overstepped his position as attorney for Riverkeeper when, in November of 1999, he hired Wegner. Boyle terminated Wegner after learning of the hiring and upon review of Wegner's resume, court records and media accounts. The matter came to a climax at a board meeting on June 20th when Kennedy insisted that Wegner be rehired over Boyle's objection.

While we hope Riverkeeper continues to work to produce changed human beings who think and act differently in regard to the Hudson River and all that pertains to it, we also recognize the primary mission of Riverkeeper is not the rehabilitation of Wegner or of those like him.

Sincerely,

Anthony Henry Smith
Fishkill

(for The Fishkill Ridge Caretakers)
(Fishkill Ridge Community Heritage, a separate organization, has also supported this letter from their beginning.)

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IOUDIOS — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:07:32 -0000

I am no fan of Obama or the Democrats in general.
But having RFK Jr. as head of the EPA would be a great start for me to start to trust Obama.
I am sick of the fox's always guarding the hen houses.
Great post Maggy! But don't expect to change Arthur Allen's mind.
His myopic view of the vaccine issue just shows he is a tool for Big Pharma.
Conflicts of interest or adverse effects? It never happens in Mr. Allen's world.

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Maggy — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:29:53 -0000

The most recent thimerosal study, "Weight of Evidence Against Thimerosal Causing Neuropsychological Deficits" was published in The New England Journal of Medicine. Below is some information on the studie's authors. Is this what you mean by independent studies?

* Dr. Thompson - the lead investigator - is a former employee of Merck.

* Dr. Marcy has received consulting fees from Merck, Sanofi Pasteur, GlaxoSmithKline, and MedImmune.

* Dr. Jackson received grant money from Wyeth, Sanofi Pasteur, GlaxoSmithKline, and Novartis. He received lecture fees from Sanofi Pasteur and consulting fees from Wyeth and Abbott. Currently, he is a consultant to the FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee.

* Dr. Lieu is a consultant to the CDC Advisory Committee on Immunication Practices.

* Dr. Black receives consulting fees from MedImmune, GlaxoSmithKline, Novartis, and Merck, and grant support from MedImmune, GlaxoSmithKline, Aventis, Merck, and Novartis.

* Dr. Davis receives consulting fees from Merck and grant support from Merck and GlaxoSmithKline.

The article then states, "No other potential conflict of interest relevant to this article was reported." One must wonder if it might have been easier to identify researchers who don't have a conflict of interest! The study goes on to report that any child with a preexisting neurological condition, like autism, was eliminated from the study. However, is it not possible - in fact, probable - that these children are the most at risk from exposure to thimerosal? Any child who developed certain neurological conditions was excluded. These conditions included encephalitis and meningitis. The possibility that thimerosal might cause these conditions was eliminated from consideration. Children were eliminated for many reasons from the study. One group excluded was children whose birth weight was under 2,500 grams, about 5.5 pounds. How many babies were eliminated for being underweight is not stated. Babies of this weight are hardly rare and they are not excluded from vaccinations. What legitimate reason could be given for this exclusion? This is just one of the independent statistical studies carried out by the accused. I could pick apart everyone of the studies in similar fashion. They take a page right out of the tobacco industrie's playbook. The facts are simple, multi-dose vaccine vials contain 50,000 ug/l Hg, a level 250 times higher than what the EPA classifies as hazardous waste. The type of mercury in vaccines, ethylmercury, deposits more toxic Hg++ mercury in the brain than equal amounts of methylmercury. We can all agree that infants are more susceptable to mercury damage than adults. Injected Hg goes right into the bloodstream making it much more toxic than ingested Hg.

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Olefin — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:52:31 -0000

"First, understand that EPA has nothing to do with regulation of vaccines. That's FDA, a post RFK Jr. is not being even remotely considered for."

True, but (a) Mr. Kennedy's positions do not demonstrate the ability to accept scientific results--something the head of EPA should be able to do and (b) it would give his vaccine message a greater platform.

Consider that much of the vaccine/autism rhetoric relies on "the government knows but is hiding the information". How much more weight will be given to that idea from present or former EPA chief Kennedy?

Take a look at how much play Bernadine Healy is getting for her comments, even though she has yet to make any substantive claims. As a member of the IOM, her comments were given weight when she stated that the IOM refused to consider the question of vaccines and autism seriously because they were afraid of the answer. This, even though the IOM is a very independent source and they certainly didn't act in the way Dr. Healy proposed:

http://autismlibrary.org/bl...

RFK Jr.'s comments have been damaging to the autism community. They would be even more damaging with the EPA title behind his name.

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jim — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:58:11 -0000

Great choice! Funny how the EPA says that the amount of mercury in the today's flu vaccine would be safe for a 500 lb adult. Keep pumping those metals into your children and keep watching Autism, ADD ADHD, Asthma and other allergies keep on rising. There's a load of science behind the vaccine-autism connection. It just doesn't get published because it's not funded by the medical cartel and considered acceptable by the Corporate controlled government agencies.

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Devin — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:48:28 -0000

First, understand that EPA has nothing to do with regulation of vaccines. That's FDA, a post RFK Jr. is not being even remotely considered for.

All that being said, however, I don't think RFK Jr. is a good choice. not only is RFK Jr. an environmental hypocrite (do as I say, not as I do), he also has a LOT of personal baggage (busted for heroin, divorced his 1st wife 3 weeks before marrying 2nd wife, who was already 6 mos. pregnant!)& more issues that will come back to haunt both Kennedy and Obama.

We've had enough drug and sex scandals in D.C. We want a gov't we can trust. Obama needs to select cabinet officials with integrity, RFK JR. is not that man.

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Anne — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:19:41 -0000

Oh this is too funny. At the end of an article criticizing RFK Jr. for writing an "error-filled" article is this line: "Correction: The original version of this post should have listed Obama adviser Michael Strautmanis as having an autistic child, not David Axelrod. We regret the error."

RFK Jr. would make a brilliant choice for EPA chief, and now that the ND community has relentlessly combed his article in search of the tiniest errors, I guess we can all breathe a collective sigh of relief that the article now online is 100% correct. It should be recommended reading for every citizen.
http://www.rollingstone.com...

One more thing...Arthur Allen is worried that "science bloggers" are alarmed about a Kennedy appointment? Well the good news is....actual scientists would be very relieved.

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Olefin — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:01:12 -0000

As the parent of an autistic child, I would urge extreme caution to the Obama administration in this.

Robert Kennedy's piece in Rolling Stone was very bad. Bad scientifically, bad journalism, bad from a responsibility standpoint. It has caused, and continues to cause, great damage to the autism community. The fact that he can stand by this as a speaker at vaccine-rejectionist rallies is disturbing.

Obama has such a great message about bringing people together--why give weight to someone who has been so divisive? Why put someone in EPA who has refused to acknowledge good science?

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Joe — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:30:34 -0000

Allen is frightened as Kennedy is against the interest groups for which Allen shills.

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Shannon — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:26:25 -0000

I'm with Anne, my children were all fully vaccinated up until our youngest had vaccine induced Autism. We are pro safety not anti-vaccines. After spending the day with us in DC I would think you would have gotten them message Arthur.

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AnneS — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:38:03 -0000

You mean pro-safe-vaccine advocates. Most of these people you continue to call 'anti-vaccine' have fully vaccinated (and fully autistic) children.

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Tony_in_PA — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:58:46 -0000

JAMES HANSEN! Its not even a question.