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The Washington Independent: NRA Lies About Obama

  • DDS -- NRA Life Member · 1 year ago
    I would draw a parallel between political campaigns, both current presidential ones included, and the classical shell game in a carnival side show. The carnie's contatant patter is supposed do distract your attention from what he/she is doing or has done in the past. What Obama says in no way overshadows what he is on the record as having actually done. His campaign says one thing, his record as an Illinois state senator and as a first term U. S. Senator says something completely different. Every one of the 10 points in the NRA add has been denied by his campaign, but all of them are drawn from actual votes or positions taken by Obama in the past.

    Obama says he supports our recently re-affirmed civil right to "keep and bear arms". But he believes that local governments can abridge that right depending on local governmental needs. I wonder how he would feel if local governments in the south felt the need to abridge minority voting rights by bringing back the poll taxes and voter literacy tests of the Jim Crow era?

    The constitution as currently ammended says that my rights are my rights regardless of where I live under U. S. jurisdiction. Washington, D. C., Chicago, IL., San Francisco, CA., and New York, NY., cannot legally prohibit handgun ownership any more than the former Confederate States can bring back slavery. As a "constitutional law scholar", Obama know this to be true. But what he says can be listened to only so long as we keep a sharp eye on what he has done in the past and will do again in the future.
  • Swami_Binkinanda · 1 year ago
    You all just can't get out of the habit of being persecuted, even when you're not. The NRA would collapse and the gravy train with biscuit wheels would just roll to a stop if they couldn't make some conspiracy theory claim that Dems were gonna get your guns. You almost allowed the GOP to take your guns with the Patriot Act amendments they have working in the wings. They may yet make ammunition unaffordable by buying it up for foreign wars-have you seen how much ammo has gone up? Even the crappy Russian ammo is through the roof. 12 gauge slugs are spendy as hel l!
    Obama will make it so you don't have to hunt squirrels to live, but you still can if you want to. McCain will make it so you have to use stick bows and muzzle loader flint locks because you are too broke to afford even reloads.
  • Thirdpower · 1 year ago
    Just last year, FactCheck's primary funding source, the Annenberg Foundation, also gave $50,000 to the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence for "efforts to reduce gun violence by educating the public and by enacting and enforcing regulations governing the gun industry." Annenberg made a similar grant for $100,000 in 2005.

    Here's the quote from Sen. Kennedy on his 'armor piercing ammo" ban that Obama co-sponsored:

    "Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers? armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating."

    Yep, he included a low powered .30 cal round used in hunting.

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r108:1:./...
  • Procusi · 1 year ago
    Try checking your facts before you stick your foot in your mouth.

    From Senator Kennady's amendment discussion (H.R. 1784: PLEA Act)
    "In a recent report, the ATF identified three, .223 and the 7.62 caliber rifles, as the ones most frequently encountered by police officers. These high-capacity rifles, the ATF wrote, pose an enhanced threat to law enforcement, in part because of their ability to expel particles at velocities that are capable of penetrating the type of soft body armor typically worn by law enforcement officers.

    Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers' armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.

    It is outrageous and unconscionable that such ammunition continues to be sold in the United States of America. Armor-piercing ammunition for rifles and assault weapons is virtually unregulated in the United States. A Federal license is not required to sell such ammunition unless firearms are sold as well. Anyone over the age of 18 may purchase this ammunition without a background check. There is no Federal minimum age of possession. Purchases may be made over the counter, by mail order, by fax, by Internet, and there is no Federal requirement that dealers retain sales records. "

    Ted Kennedy proposed a ban on .223, 7.62, and 30-30 - all of these are popular and common hunting rounds. Obama supported and voted for this. (H.R. 1784: PLEA Act)

    Obama thinks the DC gun ban is constitutional. (James Oliphant and Michael J. Higgins, "Court to hear gun case," Chicago Tribune, November 20, 2007.)

    Obama supported banning concealed carry nationwide. (Obama says, "National legislation will prevent other states' flawed concealed-weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents." David Mendell, "Democratic hopefuls vary a bit on death penalty," Chicago Tribune, February 20, 2004. )

    Obama doesn't support people's right to self defence in areas that ban handguns (Illinois State Senate, vote on SB 2165 (41-16), May 25, 2004)

    Obama wants to ban one of the most popular rifles in the US: the AR-15. He wants to renew the "assault" weapon ban and prefer to make it permanent. (John Chase, "Keyes, Obama are far apart on guns; Views on assault weapons at odds," Chicago Tribune, September 15, 2004. )

    Obama hates gun owners - he thinks they are bitter and cling to their guns (and religion) for comfort. Of course, he will only say this behind closed doors at a fund raiser in California. Go figure...

    FactCheck.org is generally pretty good, but they really fell down on the job on this article. If they have any honesty, they will go back and rewrite their article significantly.
  • DDS -- NRA Life Member · 1 year ago
    For the sake of completeness and fairness I went to the Annenberg site you referenced and read the article. Then I went and checked as many of the cited references as I could find. In my opinion, Obama's language is his usual "nuanced" dancing around the issues without ever saying anything he could be pinned down on. The NRA's collection of his record is verifiable facts. The Annenberg site says the NRA lied because Obama's campaign said so. And you accepted Annenberg and Obama's version as the truth.

    Please step away from the Koolaid, Sir. It's for your own good.
  • James Mullen · 1 year ago
    Obama's past record on gun control contradicts his stated beliefs during this campaign. Yet, hardly anyone in the media is questioning this, why? What are they afraid of since most of the media support gun control, including outright unconstitutional bans, as has Obama.

    If Obama supports the second amendment, then why has he not co-singed onto a bill in the Senate that would remove the unconstitutional restrictions on lawful firearms ownership that are still being enforced in Washington D.C.?
  • Tango · 1 year ago
    Why are Obama's lies forgiven as "misstatements", but factual evidence from the (R) side of the argument reported as lies? Obama has a long and glorious history of supporting every gun control measure that ever hit his desk.

    George Santayana had a great quote about those who forget history being doomed to repeat it. Maybe you should read that line more than the latest "Hope Change Future" pablum from Obama. But that might not be as "comical" if you actually had to face reality.
  • Payday Loan Advocate · 1 year ago
    High-level politicians, including Barack Obama, are in quest of limiting the American peoples’ access to on-demand, short term financial support. A number of cities and townships are attempting to enforce limitations on where these lawful businesses can operate. Still worse, is that several states, including Georgia and North Carolina, have effectively forced all-out bans on the trade, with several more trying to follow suit. Citizens all around the nation are looking to have their voices paid attention to by aggressive legislation that would eradicate the payday loan industry nationwide; Obama, and other mislead political officials, are pushing for an absolute ban in the name of personal political gain, in spite of the hundreds of thousands of eventual lost jobs in an already difficult economy.

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  • Dave · 1 year ago
    Ari,

    You may want to note that FactCheck has changed their article twice now after having the correct "facts" presented to them.
  • Stuart · 1 year ago
    It's not about hunting. It is about every Americans right to protect themselves. If Obama is elected then he will have the posibility to add three liberal (anti-gun) supreme court justices.

    Every person has the right protect themsleves from criminals. If you or you wife and children are attacked in you home and If you chose to not protect yourself and wait for the second responders (police) then that is your choice. I on the other hand choose to realize that in the critical 5 to 9 min it takes for the police to arrive that I am the first responder. Why is it that many Americans seem to think the only one capable to protect us need to have a uniform on?
  • Payday Loan Advocate · 1 year ago
    With our economy falling behind, the war on terror, pork barreling legislation, corruption, and criminal activity on the rise, payday loans should be the last thing on politicians’ minds. Yet, for some reason, high profile politicians like Obama are focusing on this issue. Some states have banned them, such as Georgia and North Carolina, and more are in the process. Instead of fixing the important issues, they are trying to take out the payday loan industry for personal and political gain. Payday Loans are simply for short term financial assistance for the all-American family to cover some cost that wasn’t budgeted or an emergency that they couldn’t pay for at that moment. They provide help to citizens during these financially troubling times with loans that the government otherwise couldn’t provide themselves. Stop the potential loss of thousands of jobs and the loss of a viable financial option by voicing your opinion to the legislature, before a nationwide ban becomes in effect.
  • Payday Loan Advocate · 1 year ago
    Like many Americans who make up that growing class of “disillusioned” voters, I watched the latest “town hall”-style TV debate between Barack Obama and John McCain with my expectations held firmly in check. No matter how many direct questions you ask a politician, regardless of their party affiliation, the answers you receive will resemble generalized sound bites. The New York Times described it as “90 minutes of forced cordiality,” and I must agree. While the exchange was “mercifully free” of personal attacks (according to the Boston Globe), the result was that it was free of much of the tension that makes for compelling television. McCain continued to trumpet experience, his “stay the course” stance on Iraq (seriously, he could have been G.H. Bush’s understudy) and his oil drilling policies. Obama continued to criticize Republican policies that he claims have led America into its current recession. If all were based upon the candidates’ performance here, we’d have no idea exactly how either of them would work to avert pending economic catastrophe. A coherent economic proposal is what America needs. Obama’s stance on “predatory lending” – effectively sanctioning payday advance lenders – is not a coherent solution to the real economic problems we face. That’s just a juicy steak to feed the banking and credit union dogs.
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  • Payday Loan Advocate · 1 year ago
    Last Tuesday, October 7th, the second presidential debate that took place in Belmont University in Nashville attracted over 60 million viewers. Instead of coming to a more firm deliberation on how to improve the well-being of the United States and all of the American citizens who inhabit it, more questions have raised about how exactly these presidential candidates intend to better our obliterated economy. Frequent questions asked about the $700 billion Wall Street bailout were left unanswered. People are upset and even fear that it would not work and are in search of reassurance and a solution. It seems like their main focus is basically to criticize each other in hopes of rounding up a larger number of followers than the other. Their proposed intentions are based on completely irrelevant issues. Let’s take Barak Obama’s stance on payday advance lenders for an instance. He categorized them as “predatory lending”- effectively sanctioning the industry. This is not an issue that is downheartedly affecting our economy. As the real economic problems are ignored, they spend more time finding and using the pettiest affairs to add spice to the banking production.
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  • Payday Loan Advocate · 1 year ago
    The probability of payday advance companies burning up in flames would make the Arizona Credit Union System very happy. Yet, their opinion is only marked by means of their own preference. The credit union is taking the next big step to wipe out the competition and draw all the former cash advance customers into their grip. In an E-mail campaign which is estimated to reach about 1.6 million credit union customers, System will encourage voters to reject Proposition 200. In contrast, organizations such as the Arizona Community Financial Services Association are supported by Prop. 200 that claim that the Proposition will eliminate extensions by introducing flexible payment plans, lower state loan fees, and will not only regulate Internet lending, but control the number of walk-in stores in Arizona. This resolution will help payday loan customers and keep industry employees away from the unemployment binge. No one wants to lose their jobs, particularly in our current economy.
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  • Payday Loan Advocate · 1 year ago
    On Wednesday, October 14, 2008, Americans tuned in to the third and final U.S. Presidential Debate in Hempstead, New York. Senator Barack Obama of Illinois went into the debate with an eight-point lead, based on CNN’s compilation of national poll averages. It looked as though Obama was satisfied to sit on his lead, but Arizona Senator John McCain took full advantage of Obama’s contentment. McCain tested the strength and validity of Obama’s policies, judgment and qualities of character. Obama countered the challenge by pointing out the failures of the economic policies enacted by the Bush Administration over the past eight years. McCain argued that he is “not President Bush.” McCain stated that, if elected, he would sanction an “across the board spending freeze.” Obama’s position sounded more conservative because he intends to “go through the federal budget page by page, line by line” to allocate taxpayers’ money to the appropriate programs and to cut the programs that aren’t working as they should. Both presidential hopefuls think their economic plans will bring America the change it needs. However, their policies could eliminate consumer access to payday loans. Americans live in “the land of the free,” and special interest groups (i.e. banks and credit unions) shouldn’t be able to rob us of the freedoms that make this country as great as it is.Post Courtesy of Personal Money StoreProfessional Blogging TeamFeed Back: 1-866-641-3406Home: http://personalmoneystore.com/NoFaxPaydayLoans.... http://personalmoneystore.com/moneyb
  • Payday Loan Advocate · 1 year ago
    The great French political philosopher, Alexis de Tocqueville, once said, “The surface of American society is covered with a layer of democratic paint, but from time to time one can see the old aristocratic colors breaking through.” That quote was uttered several decades ago, but it definitely seems as if, during this election cycle, it’s been ringing true nationwide. In this case, we have elected officials and hopefuls who, for some reason or another, at least claim to believe that cash advances are detrimental to the American people. With this in mind, some of them have gone so far as to propose measures that would knock the entire industry out of certain states, or even America! Governor Ted Strickland, of Ohio, is one of these people, whose new law, if passed, would knock the industry out and send 6,000 of his people to the unemployment line. What’s worse, both current Presidential hopefuls, Barack Obama and John McCain supported a bill that ultimately banned payday loans to military personnel. Furthermore, Obama has come out in support of measures that would make it impossible for these short term lenders to continue operating. An aristocracy is one where one ruling class makes decisions on behalf of everyone else. Let’s just hope that those old aristocratic colors don’t bleed through when deciding the fate of payday loans.
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  • Payday Loan Advocate · 1 year ago
    Through the globalization in the third world generation there are a lot of the competitive in many aspect and especially in the field of economics.
    The World Series wrapped up this week, with the Philadelphia Phillies capturing their first pennant in almost 30 years. 1980 was the last Series to feature the team, and at that time they had some all time greats, like Mike Schmidt, Steve Carlton, and Pete Rose, one of the only two members of the 4,000 hits club. (The two men of that distinction were both of great renown, and of greater infamy; the other being Ty Cobb.) Since the victory over Tampa Bay, the city of Philadelphia has been elated but nervous. Philadelphia’s authorities have been on high alert, watchful for the potential of mass rioting in the wake of victory, especially at Temple University. The Dean of Students, Ainsley Carry, promises both scholastic and criminal penalties for any celebration beyond normal bounds.
    Is all this really necessary? Are they so bored in Philadelphia for something to do that they’re willing to repeat Tiananmen Square to make sure everything stays Leave It to Beaver swell?
    Well, if you feel like rioting, take a second to breathe. Be calm, and do not rampantly destroy property and behave violently. If you feel the urge to social injustice, please do not take drastic action. If you feel like rioting because of a recent cash crunch, take a look at our website. You can get affordable, easy personal loans with almost no effort beyond a few clicks of a mouse.


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  • Payday Loan Advocate · 1 year ago
    We already know that lending is not a crime, and we all know that today generation we can not avoid to can not engage into a loan.
    The bells are ringing; the Philadelphia Phillies have won the World Series 2008. It has been 28 years since their last victory when Mike Schmidt, Pete Rose and Steve Carlton showed the American League the meaning of spirited, winning baseball. Twenty-four-year-old Cole Hamels was named the World Series MVP in only his 3rd season in the Major Leagues. Victory roared across Philadelphia as emotions ran high while the city prepared the celebration of the boys bringing home the Commissioner’s Trophy. However, supporters of the community are also preparing for something else; mass rioting. Temple University recently sent out an email to its students detailing the many ways they will be arrested while they celebrate the Phillies World Championship. In the email they stated, “Students involved in vandalism, refusal to disperse, destruction of property, etc. will face both criminal and University disciplinary action. Sanctions may range from fines up to and including immediate suspension. Surveillance – including videotaping – is heightened during the Series on campus and throughout the city.”
    Is there really a need for police state crackdown? People should be more respectful; it’s the adult thing to do. However, if someone less respectful of property as you leaves you with a smashed windshield and you need help to take care of it before you’re paid again, affordable personal loans are available. Keep your spirits rolling with victory.


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