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We need the SAVE ACT and E-verify used for every business.
E-verify does not discriminate against RACE, Religion, SEX or physically capability only your Citizenship and your LEGAL right to be and work in United States.
If we can stop Predatory business owners from hiring then the Illegal Aliens will not Stay and return to their native Countries.
This ISSUE is not about RACE, but Governments Federal/State/LOCAL not doing their jobs, because big and small business owners want cheap workers and no labor laws to bother with. Its called GREED!
Liberal and Conservatives take some pride in your Country and protect it from all invading nations citizens and corporate greed.
Yet your ranting seems to indicate that you equate illegal aliens with carjackers, rapists, thieves arsonists and the like. Look, while I am conservative, I do not have it in my heart to demonize people who cross the border seeking to make money to support heir families (doing jobs that 99.9% of Americans will not deign to do) WHEN THE ONLY REASON THEY CROSS THIS WAY IS BECAUSE THE U.S. DOES NOT HAVE A PRACTICAL, USABLE GUEST WORKER PROGRAM AT THIS TIME.
I suspect you gloss this fact over (perhaps because you are unintelligent, but more likely because you are simply ignorant).
And please don;t start ranting that the law is the law is the law...
Laws are updated all the time depending on the circumstances of society. Bear in mind that child labor used to be legal. Just because it as legal, did this make it a morally correct law? NO!!!!!!! The fact of the matter is that our immigration laws are outdated and do not serve the interests of the U.S. Contemplating changing the laws to address problems in the system is smart and taking the position that the laws are fine, just enforce them, is just plain stupid.
Overstaying a visa =administrative offense.
Stealing an American's id = felony
Using forged documents = felony
Tax Evasion = felony
Driving without a license = criminal misdemeanor.
Every single illegal alien who is working or driving in the US is a criminal, whether they entered the US on a visa then overstayed, or whether they came across the border illegally.
How do you think Mexico would react if 36 million Americans entered Mexico illegal, stole Mexican jobs, used forged documents, stole Mexican id's, evaded Mexican taxes, drove without a license, demanded government services in English, stole governmental benefits, demanded immunity for their crimes and demanded citizensip?
Would Mexico have what you call a "moral" reaction.. ie say okey dokey.. fine with us?
LOL...
PS. The reason that Mexico is a corrupt, crime ridden failed country is because they do not believe in the rule of law. Now they want to import that poison to America.
NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW IN AMERICA,,,NOT EVEN ILLEGAL ALIENS
Gadsden purchase. Not only did the United States win the territory in war,
we paid for it too--about 30 million dollars, and 340 dollars a square mile
as I recall --that would have to be multiplied by 24 or 25 times to equal
modern dollars (assuming that inflation has not eaten up the dollars) that
amounts to about 750 million dollars--for the land that is alleged to have
been "stolen" from the Mexicans. This was considerably more than was paid
for the Louisiana Purchase and for Fulton's Folly (the purchase of Alaska.)
The money was designated to be paid to the sparse numbers of actual settlers
as compensation for the relocation of those who lived there, but really the
Mexican negotiators really meant the ones who had land grants from the King
of Spain. There were others who lived on the lands too, Indians, half breed
Mexican and Indians, and lower class Mexicans, who were considered "peons"
who worked the land; they were considered as not eligible for citizenship or
for recognition of their status by the ones in power in Mexico, and they
were not compensated, and--that was consistent with the feudal caste system
that existed in that country. Apparently, few people ever saw the
money--but if there is any claim to be made it should probably be made to
General Santa Ana and the others who were the recipients of it. Texas was
a
republic of Mexico but had seceded and was successful in its independence
bid. So, no matter what your position is on illegal immigrants, it should
not include the Mexican distortion of the history of the region. That
distortion is being spread by La Raza whose stated intention is to take back
the US for Mexico.
If anyone has a claim for lands being stolen, maybe the Indians who
originally occupied the lands in question--and there were about a half
million of them--have the best claim, since Mexico's original claim for
California was based on the "discovery" of the Pacific Ocean; the Spanish
king laid claim to all the land washed by the Pacific. This led them to
claims in the Philippines that were successful, but I rather imagine that
the people of Hawaii, Japan, Korea and China, Australia and Micronesia,
etc., might have some other ideas about claims to the land washed by the
Pacific or by the bodies of water that are actually contiguous and wash the
shores of the entire world. In their ignorance they made many claims of
regency that are not sustainable, the one to all of the Pacific shores
being, perhaps, the most egregious. And just a half thought will reveal
that other countries laid claim to the same lands based on equally dubious
and debatable bases. No one in the US stole the houses or land from
Mexicans."
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BTW--I'd be glad to be sent back to the country from which my grandparents
came--they were native americans. It was clean, quiet, uncrowded and more or
less peaceful then. Not a lot of technology, but we got along rather nicely
nonetheless.
Per the Zogby Nov 5-6 2008 poll, only 21% of voters approve of a pathway to citizenship. 57% believe illegal immigration harms American workers, 60% want a crackdown on illegal aliens and their employers, and 67% of Obama supporters either did not think the issue was important or voted for Obama despite his amensty policy.
I note that even with Napolitano's plan, it is still giving preferential treatment to lawbreaking illegal aliens over the law abiding people who want to immigrate. The lawabiding ones have to pass a history test, clear a background check, pass a medical, and agree not to take US social benefits for x number of years. Plus the illegals get to stay in the USA while waiting "at the back of the line".
I also doubt the fine she proposes will be substantial. Let's see, at $8,000 per year for each illegal kid who has been educated by the American taxpayer, the hospital bills for the birth illegal aliens' kids that were paid for by the US taxpayer, the medical bills for the illegal aliens paid for by the US taxpayer, the food stamps and other social benefits taken by the illegal aliens, the cost to the US taxpayer of these lawbreakers runs into the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Now of course, with the mortqage failure,one has to ask how many are loans to illegal aliens, who are going to get their mortgage subsidized by the taxpayer. Some estimate at high as 47% of these loans in default are to Hispanics, and the Pew Hispanic Center indicates that allmost all illegal aliens are Hispanic.
Don't forget the one raid in CO of a tax preparation service. The police found 1,300 tax returns that illegal aliens had submitted with fake id's thereby obtaining $2.6 million in rebates. It is estimate each illegal alien has 3 different id's; think of how much of this is going on.
There is so much id theft and document fraud, there is no way to know how many of these illegal aliens have been stealing from the American people.
Time to secure the border, enforce our laws and rid this country of people who have no respect for the law and who have been ripping off the American taxpayer.
And what happened with all you Neo cons "moving to Australia if Obama wins?
1. The rule of law.. one law for everyone, applied equally
2. Equality under the law ...ie all immigrants must follow the same rules..no preferential treatment for lawbreaking Hispanics ( per the Pew Hispanic Center almost all illegal aliens are Hispanic).
3. No preferential treatment based on race. ( per the Pew Hispanic Center almost all illegal aliens are Hispanic).
4. No one in America is above the law, not even lawbreaking illegal aliens,
Any politician in "America today, with 10 million Americans out of work and more being added daily, will be committing political suicide.
I am particularly heartened by her statement that after fulfilling strict requirements the pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants would then entail "getting in the back of the line and waiting your turn." However, that's a gray area - do they wait in their own country?
UNITED STATES BORDER APPREHENSIONS (Source DHS/CBP)
1987--1,190,488------1995--1,394,554------2003----931,557
1988--1,008,145------1996--1,649,986------2004--1,160,395
1989----954,243------1997--1,412,953------2005--1,189,075
1990--1,169,939------1998--1,555,776------2006--1,089,902
1991--1,197,875------1999--1,579,010------2007----876,704
1992--1,258,482------2000--1,676,438------2008----723,825
1993--1,327,259------2001--1,266,213------2009----(beginning 10/01)
1994--1,094,717------2002----955,310
FACT: In the last 22 years, over 26 million illegals, have been apprehended, after crossing the border, into our United States.
THE PROBLEM IS: Less than 1, out of 4 illegals, are estimated to have been apprehended.
Mind boggling, isn't it.
According to the U.S. Immigration Service another 6 million illegals in our country are visa overstays.
BUILD THE FENCE!!!
MANDATE E-VERIFY!!!
Southwest Border Patrol Sector Apprehensions (Source DHS/CBP)
Fiscal Year-------------2005---------2006---------2007-------2008 (ends 9/30)
San Diego------------126,879-----142,104---- 152,460--- 162,390
El Centro--------------55,725-------61,465----- 55,883----- 40,961
Yuma-----------------138,492-----118,549----- 37,992------ 8,363*
Tucson --------------439,053-----392,074---- 378,239--- 317,696
El Paso---------------122,624-----122,256----- 75,464----- 30,312
Marfa ------------------10,532--------7,520------- 5,536------ 5,391
Del Rio -----------------68,547------42,636----- 22,920----- 20,761
Laredo -----------------75,268------74,840----- 56,714------43,658
Rio Grande Valley --134,136----110,528------ 73,430----- 75,473
Apprehensions----1,171,386--1,071,972-----858,638----705,005
*The Yuma Sector presently has a total of 94 miles of fencing. The difference is apparent.
The Yuma Border Patrol Sector is under control:
-------Yuma Border Patrol Sector Apprehensions--------
-----------OCT
FY2009---338
FY2008--1094
FY2007--3478
FY2006--9428
FY2005--8872
The El Paso Border Patrol Sector will soon be under control
-------El Paso Border Patrol Sector Apprehensions--------
-----------OCT
FY2009--1468--
*The El Paso Sector of the U.S. Border Patrol is currently in the process of constructing 80 miles of vehicle fencing in New Mexico and approximately 56 miles of pedestrian fencing in New Mexico and Texas, officials said.
FY2008--3605
FY2007--6183
FY2006-11027
THE ALL-AMERICAN STIMULUS PLAN WILL PROVIDE JOBS FOR 8.7 MILLION UNEMPLOYED AMERICAN WORKERS AND IT WON'T COST ANYTHING!!!
Illegals, using forged, and/or stolen identities, have illegally obtained up to 8.7 million jobs; these are jobs that Americans will do, jobs in food processing, jobs in manufacturing; these are jobs that rightfully belonged to American workers in the first place.
MANDATE E-VERIFY, FOR ALL EMPLOYEES, AND FOR ALL EMPLOYERS, AND IT WILL GENERATE 8.7 MILLION JOBS FOR UNEMPLOYED AMERICAN WORKERS!!!
THE ALL-AMERICAN STIMULUS PLAN WILL SAVE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS 300 BILLION DOLLARS EACH, AND EVERY, YEAR (the estimated annual cost of illegal immigrants to American taxpayers)!!!
SUPPORT THE ALL-AMERICAN STIMULUS PLAN!!!
REMEMBER, IT WON'T COST ANYTHING!!!
THERE WILL BE NO AMNESTY!!!
OUR ACCEPTABLE IMMIGRATION REFORM
#1. Make Illegal Entry a Felony Permanently Barring Citizenship
#2. Secure Our Borders with our National Guard!!!
#3. Mandate E-Verify for ALL Employees!!!
#4. Cut Off ALL Public Assistance to Illegals and Their Children!!!
#5. Stop the Underground Economy!!!
#6. End Birthright Citizenship for Illegals!!!
#7. End Chain Migration!!!
#8. Make English our Official Language!!!
#9. Cut Off Federal Funds to Sanctuary Cities!!
NOTHING MORE!!! NOTHING LESS!!!
I have written to my repesentatives and senators again and again and they are still very soft on illegals and they take no position to protect our economy, protect our California state budget (we are bankrupt) to protect our social security anf medicare systems, nor to protect legal workers or the unemployed. How can we open the eyes and hearts of the public who so indifferently re elect them again and again?
The BIG LIE......
They keep saying there are only 12 million illegal immigrants in our United States.
FACT: In the last 22 years, over 26 million illegals, have been apprehended, after crossing the border, into our United States. THE PROBLEM IS: Less than 1, out of 4, of the invading illegals, are estimated to have been apprehended.
According to the U.S. Immigration Service another 6 million illegals in our country are visa overstays.
There are, AT LEAST, 40 million illegal immigrants in our United States..........
there are 8.7 million illegals working at on-the-books jobs that they used forged, and/or stolen, identities, to illegally obtain.
there are at least that many more illegals working under-the-table, for unscrupulous employers, as part of the tax fraud laden underground economy.
there are over 5 million illegal immigrant students overcrowding our schools, all at American taxpayer expense.
Illegal immigrants cost American taxpayers over 300 billion dollars a year.
The Bush administration in its final weeks will revive a stalled crackdown on U.S. companies that hire illegal immigrants, issuing a new regulation and asking a federal judge to lift a ban on the measure, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff announced yesterday.
If the court agrees, the government could begin mailing notices to 140,000 employers regarding suspect Social Security numbers used by an estimated 8.7 million workers, pressuring businesses to either resolve discrepancies or fire workers within 90 days.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
E-VERIFY MUST BE MANDATED, FOR ALL EMPLOYEES, AND FOR ALL EMPLOYERS!!!
UNEMPLOYED AMERICAN WORKERS NEED THOSE JOBS!!!
SHE DOES NOT SUPPORT CIVIL RIGHTS OR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. I HAVE HAD PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH HER EIMPLOYEES AT THE AZ STATE BOARD OF NURSING. WHICK I FOUND TO BE VERY DISHONEST. SHE DOES NOT CARE WHAT THIS BOARD DOES ILLEGALLY, DISCRIMINATLY, OR THEIR UNNECESSARY SPENDING. SO HIS ARTICLE IS WAY OFF. AND I AM NOT SURE BUT DOESN'T NAPOLITANO HAVE A HOME IN MEXICO?
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And what happened with all you Neo cons "moving to Australia if Obama wins?"
Let's see. Barletta, a Republican, campaigning on one issue, ran against a long time incumbent DEMOCRATIC Senator with lots of favors owed him and who pulled in Bill Clinton to campaign for him. Furthermore, the local paper notes,
"Barletta and Kanjorski’s positions on immigration are so similar that their “policy statements, stump speeches and candid responses to reporters' questions have revealed little difference between where Barletta and Kanjorski stand on illegal immigration.” [The Times-Tribune, 11/1/08]
However, obtaining a non immigrant visa that does NOT allow dual intent by attesting to the issuing consulate that you intend to go home is IMMIGRATION FRAUD which is a criminal act. It may be hard to prove, but it IS a felony. Even if the government can't prove it, it doesn't make you any better than those who enter without inspection. In some ways it's worse, because you flat out lied (and probably went to great lengths to do it, given the need to prove your intent to return home) to a U.S. government official.
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Would that I were so "robbed", receiving millions of dollars for land I had never even really settled. (How do you think the Texans got Texas? Because the Mexican government wanted it settled and let in Americans. Other parts of the SW had sparse Mexican settlements. In the beginning, though, the MEXICANS STOLE THE LAND FROM NATIVE AMERICANS, so don't really have a prior claim or a basis for taking the moral high ground.)
SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO...?
37 million illegal aliens according to the Tucson border patrol. An additional half-million are coming every year.
In 1996 Illegal aliens were then displacing 730,000 American workers a year, so says Rice University.
Taxpayers are supporting parasite businesses that hire illegal foreign nationals. Democrats have underfunded the new border fence.
It is estimated that the cost to supporting illegal aliens is over a $1trillion dollars a year in government handouts.
Read about www.judicialwatch.org winning court cases against parasite employers, illegal immigrant groups and corrupt politicians.
www.numbersusa.com is your HQ, to find the ugly facts not lies. www.capsweb.org has different petitions to fight the illegal alien pestilence.
Read about the unrevealed war going on at www.americanpatrol.com
Our future free of OVERPOPULATION, is up to YOU?
Not only will impoverished illegal foreign nationals be able to tap into the welfare government share-out, we have now? But millions without paying 10 years of working credits, will be able to draw on SSA, SSI, SDI, food stamps and other programs designed for low income citizens. With their legalization they will have the opportunity to bring in their extended family members. Their elders, sick, mentally ill will be able to use our wilting health care system, and receive welfare to survive. This is an outrage to every working American and legal resident. It will lead to more illegal immigrants coming across the border and OVERPOPULATION. Don't believe in the liberal national press, read the truth
The truth is to terminate illegal activity at the workplace with massive fines, confiscation of business assets and long terms in prison for pariah employers. The answer is there--but does our government have the true intention to halt the illegal alien epidemic?
Find uncensored facts at www.judicialwatch.org/ www.numbersusa.com/ www.capsweb.org/www.americanpatrol/
When she makes a comment such as “show me a 50-foot wall, and I’ll show you a 51-foot ladder.”, for which she means that a fence is useless because people will simply find a way around it, she is in effect stating that we shouldn't try to enforce our borders because there are people who will circumvent the obstacles we place in their path. Well, DUH, of course they will - desparate people will do anything, such as die in the desert to try to get to the U.S.
As well, when she claims that it is unrealistic to deport 12M (actually the number is more than 20M) illegal aliens, she provides no justification for that rationale. One can simply look at the hysteria surrounding even the mere mention of a raid by ICE to see people fleeing into the darkness to avoid deportation to see that coordinated enforcement - at ALL levels - would serve to reduce the numbers of illegal aliens in the U.S.
Also, the mandated use of e-Verify by employers has had an effect on employment opportunities for illegals, and they return to their home country in droves. Just look at the effect that the 'economic downturn' has had.
There are reports from all across the country of entire neighborhoods empty because illegal aliens cannot find work.
Lastly, Comprehensive Immigration Reform (CIR) will NEVER work - in the current format before Congress - because there is no way to enforce any part of it. Asking people who, for the most part, work under the table and use fraudulent identity/SSNs is completely useless. These people barely make enough to support themselves, how do you think they will pay a 'stiff fine' (what is a 'stiff fine' anyway)? As well, discussoin on paying taxes is fruitless - again, by using fraudulent information how can they be made accountable?
So, while many people believe that Governor Napolitano is a good choice for DHS Secretary, I will reserve judgement until such time as she is actually appointed and discovers that 'enforcement first' is the only viable first response.
With 10 million Americans out of work, now is NOT the time to be talking about ANY form of amnesty for those who have broken our laws. Do your job and enforce our laws!!
My mother came to America legally in 1951. She carried a green card as well as a work visa.
She loved America and what it stands for, Freedom and Democracy.
The illegal immigrants who are here with good intentions should go through the same process that other immigrants do now, as that of our four fathers.
Securing our Borders with more Border Patrols and patroling our water ways with our Coast Guards would show a clear message to those who may want to cause us harm.
I'am hoping and praying that our two Border Patrol Agents, Ramos and Compean who are currently
serving a eleven and twelve year prison term be released.
While they were protecting our Borders, what clearly looks, in self-defense fired a shot at a Drug Cartell Member by the name of Osvaldo Aldrete Davila in the buttocks. His van had over 700 lbs of drugs that he had smuggled across our Borders. Our appointed U.S. Attorney, Mr. Johnny Sutton, offered and gave amnesty to Mr. Davila, in return for his testimony, by helping convict Agents Ramos and Compean.
Ramos and Compean have already served two years, too many.
They were clearly innocent by self-defense, and should not have been convicted, and be released.
We need to Protect our Borders and our Border Guards who are Patroling them.
Since Ramos and Compeans' Freedom and Democracy was so easily lost.
What does that say for our Freedom and Democracy and our future?