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They've been fed a lot of angry lies and told that it makes them special.
Even the most intellectual-sounding arguments, full of weird twists on cherry-picked, black-sheep citations and total fabrications written in big legal words, are a dead giveaway. They keep holding up the word "objective". But an objective investigation lays out *all* the data and follows where it leads. Even the best Birther arguments are carefully structured like a long flow chart with every box pointing to the same conclusion. The sea of contrary data is omitted or denied as just part of the big conspiracy.
Please, let them go tire themselves out. In a way, it's very convenient. It's like the Republican party has a built-in rubber room where they can all keep themselves company.
And knew it long before he announced his candidacy for that office, meaning that among his other criminal offenses, he's pretty much sewed up the issue of criminal mens rea with regard to felony violation of a boatload of federal campaign laws, not to mention the precipitation of the most spectacular constitutional crisis since "old Clay Whig" Abe Lincoln refused to remove his tax collectors from a tariff duty station smack in the middle of a foreign country's major seaport.
And this thing just will not "go away" as the Obamaphiles would like. Even the National Socialists' captive drive-by media organs are reporting on it. Associated Press gave up trying to ignore it to death, and slammed together a hack job that got published in newspapers nationwide yesterday.
The arbiters on this Web site won't allow me to post a link directly to the article. Use a search engine and enter "Associated Press" and "David Crary" and "Doubters" to locate it online. It'll come up.
Unless, of course, the Obamaphiles have scrubbed it already, the way they're sending everything on the Web pertinent to their Mombasa Messiah's "birth certificate" embarrassment down the Memory Hole.
You may not be old enough to remember '72, andy, but I am.
Smells a whole helluva lot like Watergate redux t'me.
"Seems? Nay it is. I know not seems, madam."
Hey, test-taker, what's that from? Hamlet, that's right! You're an idiot savant, heavy on the idiot.
If actual factual content were a requirement to post, none of us would know anything about Tuci78 because you'd never post here, test-taker.
Go back to getting stuffed. Rum, buggery, and the lash. That's what accounts for your mental illness. (Pete, do I owe you a royalty for that one?)
You can lead right wingers to the truth, but you cannot make them embrace it.
Each state has its own standard for an official record of birth.
With respect to the true motivations of the birthers, fundamentally, it comes down to the following mindset: "I cannot accept THAT man in the White House because.... (fill in the blank)."
Just about ANY reason will do -- any excuse that will legitimize their race-based outrage. If it wasn't about a birth certificate, it would be about his middle name. (He's a closet Muslim, you know.)
In addition, there are a handful of unscrupulous politicians and pundits who, although not necessarily racist themselves, have no problem capitalizing on the bigotry of others by fueling their fear and hatred of Obama in order to score political points or further a personal agenda.
Secnd point about the truth, seems to apply more to you based on #1 above.
The rest of it is ignorant drivel, only worth clarification in that this is for many (and there are MANY and growing) people, a matter of constitutional law, and not personal bias. You however seem to be pretty satisfied blidly accusing many around you of racism,etc-- If anything you seem to destroy your own credibility while at the same time lending credence to those who pursue this issue because of a love for the rule of the law of our nation, rather than blind allegiance to the office of the presidency.
So much anger, so little time. The birth certificate has been handled, examined, and verified as authentic.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in...
Many seem to be blurring the lines between the terms 'citizen' and 'natural born citizen'. The term 'natural born citizen' has never clearly been defined by our legal system although statements made by people involved with framing the US Constitution appear to indicate that a 'natural born citizen' is an individual born to two US citizen parents and not owing allegiance to any foreign governments.
When asked to define natural born citizen, John Bingham, the author of the 14th ammendment which extended the bill of rights to former slaves, stated, "Every human being born to parents who are US citizens and are under no other jurisdiction or authority." The Naturalization Act of 1790, also passed by this congress, declared "And the children of citizens of the US shall be considered as natural born, provided that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been a resident of the US." Neither of these definitions mentions birthplace, only the citizenship of the parents.
http:/ / www. fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.”
In the case of Obama, his father was NOT a US citizen, regardless of where Obama was born. As a minor, he lived in Indonesia for several years and school records there indicate that he had Indonesian citizenship, while at that time Indonesia did not recognize dual citizenship. As an adult in college, he traveled to Pakistan and it has been questioned as to what country issued the passport he traveled on. An individual involved in illicitly accessing Obama's passport records was murdered, shot in his vehicle (http://www.federaljack.com/2009/07/11/key-witne...). Obama has spent nearly $1 million trying to prevent the release of documents that nobody should have a problem releasing when applying for the office of POTUS, or for that matter, ANY job. These documents include his long form birth certificate (in his book Dreams of My Father he states on page 26 that he has it), his college application and records, his grad school application and records (these documents state citizenship and financial aid being received), his published news articles for the Havard Law Journal as the editor, his medical history, and his US passport travel history.
The COLB that he has published proves nothing, even the State of Hawaii will not accept that as proof that he was born there. The birth announcements also prove nothing. I was born in Louisiana, yet my birth announcement showed up in a newspaper in Indiana because my grandmother called the paper to have it put in since my parents had both grown up there.
The bottom line is that where there is smoke there is fire, and Obama's actions in trying to conceal these documents, documents that anyone not having something to hide would have revealed immediately, speaks volumes. These are the same documents that I had to produce when applying for an entry level security position with police/sheriff/probation departments. Obama is NOT my president because he has not shown that he is eligible.
Don't stop there. Look up every GOP politician you can find and contact them. Urgently and frequently.
Assemble outside their offices in areas where the lighting is good for television cameras. Sing patriotic songs spontaneously. Speak in tongues and wail for the slain unborn if you can remember. Bring signs from home.
But the main thing is, do not give up. Pay no attention to the GOP RINO's who try to write this off as an idiotic pursuit that is only taken up by a handful of crazies (Ann Coulter) or the weak-kneed drafter of the birth certificate bill, Tom Campbell (R - CA) who admitted on Hardball that he believes President Obama was born in Hawaii.
Stick with the REAL leaders. GOP men and women of substance, family values, and the good sense to pay off their mistresses and EACH of their mistresses' children, without leaving one little guy out in the cold.
But don't give up. Your country needs you to focus all your attention and energy, and that of your like-minded friends and representatives, on this issue to the exclusion of all others.
"statements made by people involved with framing the US Constitution appear to indicate that a 'natural born citizen' is an individual born to two US citizen parents"
Can you give us a name of one of these people who were involved in framing the Constitution and exactly what were their statements?
"John Bingham, the author of the 14th ammendment"
Gee, what does the 14th amendment actually say?
First line: Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
I could go on tearing your pathic cut and paste World Nut Daily argument apart but Ive been told I should be kind to the mentally impaired.
Smoke. Darkness. "Racism."
And expecting a prominent politician of the Chicago machine to show proof of his bona fides....
Tsk. Everyone knows that Cook County, Illinois, is run by sterling models of moral probity and trustworthiness. Shame on you!
Huh?
Real World Fact;
Despite British hopes of handing power to "moderate" African rivals, it was the Kenya African National Union (KANU) of Jomo Kenyatta that formed a government shortly before Kenya became independent on 12 December 1963.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya#Post-colonia...
Reality is a bitch aint it?
From link cited by Rachel
http://www.federaljack.com/2009/07/11/key-witne...
"The dozens upon dozens of deaths of people who knew or were involved with (positive or negative) under the Clinton dictatorship still remains a stunning thing in my mind.'
"I believe the young homosexual man, Donald Young, the Choirmaster at Obama’s ‘old’ church, was murdered to shut him up about Obama being bi-sexual." "...Key Witness In Passport Fraud Case Fatally Shot"
Don't forget to menition this when calling GOP politicians.
To get you started, I thought of a few obvious ones.
"Don't Re-distribute My Email"
"Socialism is a fascist plot by communist followers of Noam Chomsky"
"Where'd the Burrito Lady Go?"
"Show me your tits and I'll show you my birth certificate!"
"The President is a Democrat!"
"I care more about your unborn baby than my lack of healthcare"
"Where's Kenya on ANY Legit Map?"
"Doesn't ANY black guy know enough to comply with the law?"
"Where can I buy Oxycontin and Adderall at the same time?"
And so forth.
Rachel makes for a good example of how untrue facts become myths. In fact the State of Hawaii will accept nothing else but the COLB.
If you believe this kind of nonsense, then nothing is going to convince you.
Beyond that I don't think there's really a "Rachel." Posts of this length that purport to be from birthers are usually cut-and-pasted from the internet, with different names and personal stories. Many purport to be from Democrats, or black people, or veterans. It's an attempt to gain credibility before spewing nonsense.
"Rachel" gives it away by indicating that although she followed closely from the beginning and once thought it a political smear tactic, she has come to believe that President Obama is not eligible.
Fail. No one who paid attention to this year-old story became MORE convinced as time passed. If anything you click on one or two links and see a birth certificate and then get back to looking at your friends' worst dates on Facebook.
Utter, long-winded, non-plausible fail.
The more I read you and the other birther's nonsense,the more I keep wondering why you just cannot accept the truth. The reaches you and other birthers have made are beyond all normal reason or any reason for that matter. but then I realize it's born of pure hatred, pure unreasoning hatred, and of course racism.
You keep pulling things out of thin, VERY thin air and just run with it screaming down the road, "The truth, the truth, the truth" as if anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together believes any of the idiocy you post.
I've read every excuse birthers like you and even some of the more rabid ones, have stated and not one of them is anymore than conjecture, dream wishes, hatred, and in most cases, pure racism.
And just look at the morons who have no actual understanding of the legal aspects, such as your fellow birther claiming he is only half America. THAT is hilarious.
But then again, all of you birhters are pretty danged funny to read.
Don't forget to pick up a new color for your tinfoil hat. I'm sure the old silver one is getting kind of.....well a little odor inducing.
And even if Barry were the President - the point of this discussion is the happy, entirely-too-damned-plausible-for-your-comfort contention that by law (that pesky old Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution) "President" is precisely what your paradigm of political prevarication AIN'T - what's wrong with "insulting" the miserable shitebag?
Jeez, you "Liberal" dorks didn't hesitate when "insulting" his predecessor Douchebag-in-Chief, Dubbya. What, you spoiled little brats want everything your own way?
No of course not, that would rip holes in your little tinfoil hat nonsense.
I never called Bush the Douchebag in chief and in fact that is the first time I personally have heard or seen that. I referred to him as Shrub ever so often but more often than not a Bush.
And let's be honest here, the man was an idiot. Couldn't even carry on a conversation without sounding like he hadn't a fifth grade edumacation sometimes. It's great to hear a president who speaks damned near perfect English, has a grasp of the subject matter and doesn't have this idiot act of "Bring 'em on" nonsense.
But back to you tinfoil hat brigade members (tell us are you an officer or just an enlisted man? AND what rank?) do ANY of you have the ability to comprehend actual real life English?
I didn't think so.
So tell us, what colors have you picked out for your tinfoil hats now that they come in a variety other than silver?
You guys are hilarious.
That phoney simulation of an Oil Patch shitkicker was (and still is) an act. Perfectly rehearsed, carefully polished, and deliberately fabricated to make Dubbya appealing to precisely the cadres of confused and witless "Flyover Country" oafs who voted him twice into the White House.
By definition, a con man capable of gulling millions of people - and getting away with things like the USA PATRIOT Act and the Heimatsicherheitsdienstand his bankster buddies' TARP One - is anything but an "idiot," rog.
Unwedge your head and look around, son. Dubbya was no more what he seemed over the last eight years than is your third-generation "red diaper baby" malignantly socialist Mombasa Messiah right now.
He can NEVER be a "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN! Ever!
His father was a FOREIGNER from Kenya and that makes Obama only 50% American, At best.
You have to be 100% American, a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, to be president of America.
Obama: British born, NOT NATURAL BORN!!
First, neither you nor anybody else - not even the most ardent, ass-kissing Obamaphile infesting this forum - has ever seen hide nor hair of Barry Soetoro's "birth certificate." Nobody except the bureaucrats of the state government of Hawaii have, and they're very carefully not saying what the hell that birth certificate reveals about our Fraudulence-in-Chief except that (a) he was born, and (b) like his younger maternal half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, there's enough information on file for the state of Hawaii to issue him a Certification of Live Birth if he were to ask for one.
Not that he had been born in Honolulu as he had sworn when he signed multiple documents certifying that he is a "natural born citizen" of these United States during the National Socialist Party's presidential primaries, but that the state of Hawaii had some sort of birth certificate on file for him.
That his alleged biological father had been a foreigner is neither here nor there, save as it serves to explain his birth in Mombasa. For all anyone knows, Barry's last name might well be "Davis" or "Little." Stanley Ann Duham slept around a lot. He does not have to be biologically "100% American" except that the patch of the planet where he first drew breath has to have been in these United States for him to qualify as a "natural born" instead of a naturalized citizen.
Barry's claimed Kenyan daddy - a British subject at the time of Barry's birth - would no more detract from that third-generation red diaper baby's grown-up citizenship status - whether born in Mombasa as he had been or in Honolulu as he would like the nation to think - today. Barry is a U.S. citizen.
Just not a "natural born" U.S. citizen, and therefore not qualified to sit as President of these United States.
That is quant. suff. for this recipe.
A Black Man's My President, I Mean a [Bi-Racial Man]
God Save the Confederacy, I Mean The [Union]...
Wave The Rebel Flag..
Where's Hank Williams Jr. Charlie Daniels, John Rich and Gretchen Willson..
My Bad, They were on the McCain-Palin Campaign Trail....
And we Still Lost the Popular & Electoral Vote !!!
Robert E. Lee... .
We've Failed You....
Oh White God Above....
Jesus Help Us...
Are the Good Times Really Over For Good ...
I'm Quoting Merle Haggard ...
God Bless The Confederacy....
I Mean....
The [Union]
Save Me Lord, Take Me Now !!!!
Why have Thou Forsaken Us..Oh Lord !!
The Lord Responds: Because You are a Low Life, Hate Monger and those who Think like you are also Low Life's...
Did You think, that I would Leave things as they are [Forever] ?
Changing Times. Every Race I Made on this Planet and Everything Changes, Did you not know that ?
Get up to Speed....Or be left Behind.
Sorry but that is incorrect as several courts have ruled.
That his father was a FOREIGNER from Kenya or that Obama is only 50% American??
That someone who is born to two alien parents on US soil is a natural born citizen and even if the parents return to their home country where the child acquires a double allegiance, he can, upon reaching the age of majority, return to the United States and continue his natural born birth right which would allow him to run for president.
There is no such thing as 50% US citizen.
Let me walk you through some relevant quotes
A "NATURAL BORN" citizen has to be 100% American.
Your comments reflect terms for citizens, NOT Natural Born citizens.
Obama: British born, NOT NATURAL BORN!!
For example:
Source: Debates and proceedings in the New-York state convention By New York (State). Constitutional Convention, Sherman Croswell, R. Sutton, 1846
Do your fantacies have any basis in the real world of history?
You go clearly off the track with US v Wong.
Obama: British born, NOT NATURAL BORN!!
The one were the courts explain how common law defines natural born to include anyone born on us soil, regardless of the status of the parents?
Show us that you actually are familiar with the history and legal foundations.
After fighting the Revolutionary War, I don't believe the Framers would have used the precise words "natural born" citizens if they had wished the Son of a British father to be commander of the American armies.
There is no evidence for the former and as to the latter, the intent was to prevent indeed foreigners from being naturalized and run for president. Only those born on US soil could do so.
The suggestion that the article was based on Vattel runs counter to the Supreme Court cases which refer to Blackstone and Common Law, not Vattel.
Surprised?.... Betchya
Why try to convince us? Use the system. Call all of your Republican State and Federal legislators and demand they take action and kick that Kenyan, socialist out of office NOW. Call and email them. Then call and email again. Nothing they do today is more important that this. Go to the top, Michael Steele. Provide the same links and other concrete proof you’ve been presenting here today.
I wouldn’t bother your Democrat legislators because they won’t listen. They were dumb enough to vote for President Obama so they are a lost cause. Bring it up after Church tomorrow. Email all of your friends. Go door to door. Take it to the streets.
If I truly believed a foreigner was POTUS I would be all over this. I wouldn't be posting here until I contacted my State and Federal legislators. I would do it every day till they took action. Online petitions are OK but go to the legislators and demand they do their jobs TODAY.
Also suggest that all of them start wearing their BC next to their Flag pin as a statement.
(( "Now, dear. They can't be scum and dregs at the same time!" ))
- pathogenic in every aspect of your existences, and rotten to the core. You're also spectacular "reverse racists," but that goes along with the Tranzi thing.
Have I left out anything? Well, I can post more later.
And it's not what you might or might not have "believed," jimmie. But - beyond the fact that your sad sack of shit Barry Soetoro conned his way through an election and into the White House, what do you REALLY know about him?
Hey, click here:http://colony14.net/id41.html
Come back when your head finishes exploding.
I had fun watching stephenperry crush you a few days back. Too bad you didn't bring your A game today. Might of been fun.
I used to be mildly amused by that guy, then I felt bad about his obvious mental instability. Now the thing I pay most attention to is his death threats against our President. Either way, he's a total fuckup and not worth the time it takes to poke him with a long stick.
Or are you reading on HTML-disabled email and couldn't pick up that link?
Well, it's http://www.denbeste.nu/external/Fonte01.html
The mistake I made in posting the link to The Obama Timeline was purely typographical. I forgot a space between the colon and the insertion of the URL, rendering it "unclickable."
The consensus agreement in these fora, jimmie, is that if you don't bitch about people's typos and such nonsense, they won't bitch about yours. Verstehen sie?
The consensus is that if you post in good faith, typo's are overlooked.
If you post hideous racist invective and anti-government lunacy, expect your filth to be thrown back at you.
And the irony of you, who think you're God's gift to books no one gives a shit about, trying to call someone else out for an error is only slightly less gargantuan than the irony of you, who couldn't get someone to piss on you if you were on fire, trying to speak to what the consensus rules are here.
Death threats against the President are even more out of bounds than your racist nonsense spewed all over the site.
So shut the fuck up. Figuratively. I don't care what you say. It's what you type. But the more you do it, the better everyone else looks for not doing it. So it's your decision, test-taker. You'll make the wrong decision. You always do.
Let's see, now it's "hideous racist invective" and "anti-government lunacy"...
Well, the latter is certainly fair. Like other constitutionalists, I'm assuredly "anti-" THIS government.
"Death threats" psychotically drawn from satirical expressions of hatred for stevie's malignant socialist Fraudulence-in-Chief - like hating Barry Soetoro isn't a civic virtue? More of the old "racist" crapola, a censoring admonition to "shut the fuck up"...
Tch. What an ex-English major.
Get on with your pshrink about that blood pressure, stevie. Or find yourself a family doc.
See http://hyper.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/5... and scroll down to look through the "References" section. There are plenty of links to full text articles freely available online.
Well, the latter is certainly fair."
Fair or not, they're both utterly true assessments. Glad you concede your lunacy.
And who are you to judge, jimmie? Your command of invective appears no more adroit than is your grasp of your beloved Messiah's stinking, sordid, scumbag personal past history.
Check the link, why don'tcha? If your earwax doesn't melt right out of your auditory canals while reading that, you haven't got a body temperature, much less an IQ measurable above 86.
Your Mombasa Messiah positively reeks on ice.
You haven't been right yet.
But you're still a tool. Next.
Then Jerry Ford pardoned the sonofabitch. Oh, well. One has to learn to live with life's disappointments....
I'm sure that Arnaud Amalric believed all to hellangone when he said those immortal words:
"Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius."
Me, I'm not a believer. Don't much like 'em. Entirely too willing to enslave, pillage, and kill for what they "believe."
This one's even more far gone than Nav7. Hope you didn't waste too many synapses waiting for a lucid, let alone positive, inclusive, forward-looking comment from test-taker. But at least you can say you tried...
I think I'm 2 and 0, lifetime, against you in the Birther Sighting Sweepstakes, jj. I'm left-handed. You should try your luck against righties. And right-wingers. Test-taker here belongs in a wing of an asylum. Where monkeys pull a lever to be able to fling their feces at him as a reward.
I am not sure what your intentions are but convincing is likely not one of them.
My intentions are to amuse myself while pursuing Barry Soetoro's arrest, indictment, conviction, and incarceration on myriads of state and federal criminal charges, with the added hope that exercise of the RICO Act will catch up the entirety of the National Socialist Party leadership and as many of the Republicans as can be managed. Destroying ACORN will be incidental thereunto.
I'm just intent upon the equivalent of debriding a decubitus ulcer on the American body politic. Gotta get all that corrupt, necrotic crap out and off before healing can begin.
And if you're an Obamaphile, who could possibly describe you as susceptible to "convincing," anyway?
Amuse yourself, there is plenty of time till 2012.
Or something like that. I'm not "upset" that Barry Soetoro won the election; the choice was between cholera and bowel cancer, and bowel cancer "won."
I'm "upset" (if anything) that this reeking, lying sonofabitch should've gotten even to throw his hat into the National Socialist Party's ring to contend for the nomination in the first place. He is so bogus, so thoroughly rotten, such an unwavering "red diaper baby" of a stinking Tranzi that the chain should've been pulled on him before he even slimed into the Illinois state senate.
I don't "dislike" him for the tiny trace of Luo blood in his body (that "touch of Negritude" that's supposed to be so powerful) but because of what we'll call for courtesy's sake his politics.
If he were as pale as milk, blue-eyed, blond-haired, and his first name was "Sven," I'd hate him no less heartily - and so should you, if you have any goddam sense at all.
Where has the Plutocrat-utopia you want so badly been tried? (the absense of any notion of 'We the People) If the US spends ~20% GNP on the federal government, then what is the perfect number that your forgotten arcane knowledge suggests? What models do we have to see the libertarian utopia in operation?
The liberals know of none; wait till the Republicans figure out what you really want to do. We learned balanced history, not libertarian nonsense history...
You are trying to make Americans hate her whole history, bit by bit, pocket by pocket. Both political parties have long usurpations to what?
If you didnt notice this is the wealthiest planet in the history of earth. In the last 100 years, Democrats and Rebublicans built this. Where the fuck where you?
There is no such thing as government by quoting an endless lists of quotes by plutocratic cranks.
"They're pro-choice on EVERYTHING!"
Think "Bourbon Democrat," fitz, and you'll have something of a handle on what libertarians want of civil government. Only a bit less.
Well, hell. A lot less.
As for our "wealthiest planet" (yeah, I know; you mean "nation"), the Republicans (as Whigs and then under that "try to pass as Jeffersonian" handle) have been plundering that wealth ever since they cankered up on the scene back in the early 19th Century, by way of Clay's "American System." The Democrats went into the tank pretty much completely by 1912, when the progressives/populists/"Liberal" assholes took over and started sliding socialism into the nation's weasand like a well-sharpened assassin's knife.
All of that wealth, fitz, could and would be much greater if the people producing it could keep more of it in their hands, instead of being subjected to government (and government suck-ups') depredations.
Aw, hell. You're obtuse and opaque, ain'tcha? I could recommend some reading to you, but you wouldn't take the assignment.
Gotta keep your willful ignorance intact, don'tcha?
Big money always buys (or rents) politicians. The only way to keep big money from buying advantage in the form of government goons-with-guns holding the "big money" types victims down for gang rape is denying the politicians the power to do what the "big money" guys want done.
Small government - confined, constrained, highly limited, "frugal" (in Jefferson's word) - is what you want, if you're not a total stupe. You want the officers of your government to be pretty much helpless and powerless and able to function only as "public servants" and not as civil masters.
"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first."
As for who "demanded children be in schools rather than factories," it wasn't the monied interests. It was organized labor. Child labor out-competed them in a lot of jobs. The government indoctrination systems where the kids wound up, now...
Well, that's a wonderful story. Look up Horace Mann and his ilk, and then look into the writings of teacher John Taylor Gatto.
Especially look into the history of the Pledge of Allegiance and find online images of the "Bellamy salute."
"Seig Heil!"
There's a helluva lot they didn't want you to learn in school, fitz. Might be surprised. Who knows?
"Aw, hell. You're obtuse and opaque, ain'tcha? I could recommend some reading to you, but you wouldn't take the assignment.
Gotta keep your willful ignorance intact, don'tcha?"
Stop trying to pull rank. we can challange each other while being equals.
joe
Let's see, what to put on your reading list first.... Okay. Can't beat Economics in One Lesson as a starter. An edition is online in its entirety at:
http://www.fee.org/pdf/books/Economics_in_one_l...
Hazlitt is a very kindly writer. Very polite. I'll turn you loose on Murray Rothbard if and when you're ready to read the guy who's famous for explaining his huge academic productivity with the response: "Hatred is my muse."
After that? Hayek, probably. Not his Constitution of Liberty yet, but surely The Road to Serfdom.
http://www.iea.org.uk/files/upld-publication43p...
That's the version that appeared condensed in Reader's Digest, so it's got some brevity for you.
J. Neil Schulman's eerily predictive novel Alongside Night has been made available in toto here:
http://www.pulpless.com/free30/Alongside_Night_...
You should download the PDF and save it, as I don't know how long he's going to be keeping it available for free.
Have fun.
I won't won't promise tonight. i'm emailing an old friend in st louis, we were both contractors in saudi arabia a few years ago.
Jeez, the only word I can think of is "overwhelming." I've got 'em in PDF on my hard drive, mostly; as hardcopy from the '80s and early '90s, they were in binders on a back shelf in my consulting room, and were crowding my medical textbooks off onto the floor.
I suppose the Mises.org Web site will also work, though they're more academic in their orientation.
You got a Wal-Mart pharmacy anywhere near you?
You might consider the queens words. To date you have more ways of saying nothing than any person that I have encountered.
You may also want to refer to Hamlet's line "there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so."
Test-taker here could take an undoubtedly good idea, like the Federal interstate highway system or the standing armed forces, and, merely by running it through his IBM Selectric of a brain, spit out something entirely indefensible about what's wrong with those two things.
It's sort of like getting a senile old racist professor drunk on absinthe and then recording his stream-of-consciousness rant. Just before he passes out and hits his head on the washroom faucet.
A budding comedian. But you should work a bit on your punch line.
You gonna accomplish all that from the computer in the library in the town where you've gone to rust away, living only for the day when your disability check arrives in the mail?
Sounds to me like you should run for office. You have the charisma, empathy and common touch that is so sorely lacking nowadays. Now if only you had any intelligence whatsoever, I could compare you to any other politician. But none of them, again, are dumb enough to threaten violence against the President, like you've done dozens of times. Not even Campbell, who got embarrassed by Chris Matthews on Hardball, is dumb enough to say what you said.
So it's just as well that you'll never have a career in politics. You never had a career in anything else, either. Otherwise you wouldn't spend your time projecting your misery and fear of power onto people who wouldn't stop their motorcade to inspect your facial lesions.
Oh, but you're illiterate in Mencken's work, so you wouldn't know what is meant by that remark, would you, stevie?
I'm just having fun, "stirring up the animals" here.
Test-taker, I know you're talking about yourself again. What, didn't anyone bring you any cheese? Is it still cold in your room? I thought the last time I translated for you, someone would have fixed those two things.
Take your pills. M*A*S*H* is coming on in a few minutes. Yellow people get hurt in this episode. You'll like it. I think they get healed, though. Sorry. Best I could do for you under the circumstances. Given that you're a piece of shit that won't flush away.
As for M*A*S*H, you mean the movie or the TV show? The chest surgeon who wrote the first M*A*S*H novel (after having served in Korea in one of the 8th Army mobile hospitals) liked the film, but hated the left-wing fantasy of the television program. I feel pretty much the same way about the two different derivatives of his work.
Hawkeye Pierce - as written by Dr. Hornberger - was a decidedly conservative (and thoroughly anti-authoritarian) "down east" Maine man, and nothing at all like the simpering New York "Liberal" that Alan Alda portrayed.
Me, I'm an "NT" and I hate their guts.
Roll psychology and sociology into politics, and you've got von Mises' praxeology. I suppose I was praxeologically bound to be a libertarian. I'm sane, rational, and decidedly not a "True Believer."
The organization clowns - think Dilbert's Pointy-Haired Boss - can't stand that.
I love politicians' autobiographies. The most inventive works of fiction out there.
So what has my curriculum vitae - or "resume" - got to do with what you find in the stuff I type into these "comments" boxes? How often do I have to keep repeating that old cartoon caption, "On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog," anyway?
Like your resume or my vitae matters, bubbie?
No, I thought not.
But I didn't come up through Mrs. O'Connor. I only read Atlas Shrugged after I'd read The Fountainhead, and I didn't read either until I was in med school. I went through all of her expostulatory prose first - the stuff she'd published in The Ayn Rand Reader and journals like that, gathered into anthologies. Her essays. When I got to her fiction, I found that it mostly sucked. Heinlein and Eric Frank Russell and H. Beam Piper had gotten there first.
Want to read a recent instantiation of the libertarian "positive vision," fitz? Look for Aaron Zelman and L. Neil Smith's novel Hope (2001). An excerpt is online at:
http://www.jpfo.org/pdf02/hope-50.pdf
Enjoy.
Shit. I wanted to get out of here without ever agreeing with anything you wrote.
Point to ONE instance where anyone on this site has ever agreed with ANY point you've tried to make, test-taker.
I'll wait.
*crickets laughing their asses off*
You see that Florida Christian actually RESPONDED to me? I re-posted it; it happened on another thread. I should get a medal.
If all of that is true as you say Omaar, why then did he provide a forged COLB?
Dr. Polarik writes: “There are laws on the books in Hawaii and the Federal Statutes that clearly spell out exactly what constitutes forgery, and in both Hawaii State Law and the Federal Statutes, the act of altering an official government document -- even if it is just a facsimile of that document -- constitutes forgery. The bogus COLB that Obama created is also considered to be a "false identification document, a felony forgery.” Dr. Polarik’s evidence is preserved online. There is also a YouTube video summary of the evidence.
Forensic document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines, a Former Federal Examiner with a long history of expert testimony in state and federal courts, has testified in an affidavit that states, in part:
After reviewing Dr. Polarik’s analysis, Sandra Lines says, “I can state with certainty that the COLB presented on the internet by the various groups, which include the “Daily Kos,” the Obama Campaign, “Factcheck.org” and others cannot be relied upon as genuine. Dr. Polarik raises issues concerning the COLB that I can affirm. Software such as Adobe Photoshop can produce complete images or alter images that appear to be genuine; therefore, any image offered on the internet cannot be relied upon as being a copy of the authentic document.” Sandra Ramsey Lines summary is posted at U. S. Law Blog.
http://www.thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/a...
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
Now hear this!! Just because pictures showing Obama's document provided is different from all other genuine 2007 COLB'S does not mean it was forged......it just shows he's like a God or something.....a magical Messiah....HE IS DIFFERENT!!!!
He did not such thing Do you not feel silly for promulgating a falsehood?
I compared a known 2007 COLB and Obama's, to noone's surprise they matched.
So what do we know about the COLB?
That it has a raised seal, and a signature and matches COLB's released in 2007. In addition, it shows President Obama born in Honolulu Hawaii on August 4, 1961, and that his birth was registered on August 8th, just in time for the birth announcements in two Hawaiian newspapers.
Wow. No wonder you have to called it a forgery...
President Obama must be One Hell of a Man.....
1. To not have a Social Security Number
2. No Birth Certificate
3. To Attend Public Schools in America, without Proof of Citizenship.
4. To Fly to Indonesia Without a U.S. Passport to [Indonesia] with his Mother and Step Father.
5. To Fly to the Mainland to Attend Prestigious Universities.
6. To Become a Constitutional Law Attorney.
7. To Become a Illinois State Senator
8. A 4 Yr US Senator.
9. Passing All High Level..ed State-Feder..al Clearances. [FBI-CIA]
10. To Become the President of the USA ...
Wow !!
President Obama is One Hell of a Man..
He Deserves to be President !!
No credible forensic examination has been done and no credible discrepancies have been shown. Your argument was that Obama's COLB was different. No such evidence has been provided so far and I have shown that your statement is thus incorrect.
Does it not bother you that the two COLB's are identical, other than the expected differences in the printed text and the location of the seal and signature?
It is unfortunate that we do not have non-jpg format pictures so far since jpg can run havoc on any forensic examination since it is a lossy compression, and every time you save it, even without changes, it becomes further compressed.
RAW or TIFF format would be ideal. Nevertheless, the unfounded claims like yours have been quickly put to rest. If you have any other objections, feel free to present them.
So what expert are you referring to ? Polarik?... What are his credentials? Sandra Lines? All she said is that she cannot determine if there are any forgeries involved.
It's just that I was really looking forward to hearing more of his theories about you being an "obot drone." I want to know if he thinks you are an actual liberal robot with artificial intelligence, or if he thinks you work at a re-Neducation camp under the sea with Pocahontas.
If you keep leaking facts out of your keyboard that way, he might not elaborate.
Please quit spooking the fish by standing over the water. That's all. No biggie.
Sorry, didn't mean to intrude.
Self destruct... self destruct... self de....
Either the Republican party is part of the conspiracy OR incompetent OR I guess President Obama BC was legit and he is the POTUS for 3.5 - 7.5 more years.
Damn those conspirators. I never get picked to be on the good conspiracy theorist teams. Knew I shouldn't have questioned the "Power of Greyskull' in my boyhood He-Man Comic Club treehouse meetings.
Onward and Upward.
Take Your White Sheets and Swastikas with you and Please Get that Burned Cross of the Lawn as well...
Thank You
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HONOLULU — The state’s Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.
The state has received multiple requests for a copy of Obama’s birth certificate. State law does not allow officials to release the birth certificate of a person to someone outside of the family. ...
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i,” Fukino said.
Klein may be the king of the dung heap at CNN, but this story is far from dead.
The simple fact, that Klein, Chris Matthews, Brian Williams, John Stewart and even The New York Times, are addressing the eligibility issue on a daily basis now is clear evidence that the eligibility question is never, ever, going to go away. It will dog Obama until he goes back to Chicago -- or releases his bona fides.
The Times writes, "Advocates of the issue, who are sometimes called Birthers, have succeeded in calling attention to themselves through frequent calls to talk radio shows, e-mail messages to news organizations and a videotaped question at a Congressional town hall. The Associated Press said that Obama’s citizenship status had been one of the most popular topics for the wire service’s 'Ask AP' column."
A few months ago, Birthers numbered in the hundreds. Now, they number in the millions. Millions of Americans are demanding -- "Obama, show us the birth certificate"
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." Mahatma Gandhi
We are currently at Ghandi's stage three.
Somehow, you know its coming. That OMG moment is just around the corner. You can feel the inescapable reality creeping up on you. Something will leak. Someone will spill the beans.
“For nothing is hid that shall not be made manifest, nor anything secret that shall not be known and come to light.” Luke 8:17
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-o...
He has and the idea that there are millions is just hilarious. Regardless, they all lack standing and once the people are explained that President Obama did present his birth certificate, another conspiracy will bite the dust.
As I understand it, the DOH uses laser printers for printing their birth certificates. As to the evidence of 'heat' could you present some evidence?
I double checked and the COLB shows "LASER" at the bottom, so it clear is not surprising to see evidence of a laser printer on a document produced on such.
But I have done some of my own investigations into these claims
I looked at your link in more detail. I'm speechless. How come I never seen this?
Obama Conspiracy where Doc C exposes some of the more outrageous myths.
Natural Born citizenship clause with many relevant links and references.
OHSM 1.1 (Rev. 11/01) Laser This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding. [HRS 338-13(b), 338-19]
Usually the people that call everyone stupid are the people that have less than average intelligence. Once you get near average you see how vast everything is.
Fuck, I can't take the risk that the point won't get across. Toughen up, those of you who say stupid things...
Seeing double so I'm posting twice.
I just said what I said so that I could get a chance to stick it to birthers again. Plus I could really use those finger puppets back.
Tell you what, I'll buy the first round. Just swiped Greg's AmEx when he was looking at a black guy walking toward him. Oh nuts. It's a frequent shopper discount card at GameCube. Rats.
He did not, they match the 2007 border. Where do you get your 'facts'? And worse, why do you not double check them before looking silly to the world?
Onward and Upward.
Take Your White Sheets and Swastikas with you and Please Get that Burned Cross of the Lawn as well...
Thank You
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HONOLULU — The state’s Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.
The state has received multiple requests for a copy of Obama’s birth certificate. State law does not allow officials to release the birth certificate of a person to someone outside of the family. ...
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i,” Fukino said.
The reason I make fun of you is because you cannot read what you post.
NOWHERE does it say in that quote of yours that the document IS forged.
It says that online documents CAN BE forged, because software like Photoshop exists.
Look, I know you don't trust me. Read it again. And then stop cutting and pasting gibberish. Gibberish in all caps, gibberish with four exclamation points, gibberish with a link to a libertarian website, still gibberish.
Dumb. Ass.
Lastly genius(oxymoron), all three links(you know those blue lines that when you click them you go to another web page) state unequivocally that the Obama COLB is forged. Had you actually gone to those links and read the reports and viewed the photographic evidence showing forgery you would not be making stupid assumptions.
No other expert opinion was expressed by the forensic examiner.
What's on the web sites you direct me to isn't worth wiping my feet on to come in the door. Anyone knows that. I can send you to shuckandjive.com if you want to play who's got the wackier fringe websites.
You're funny. You think "genius" is an oxymoron. Where to begin with that?
Onward and Upward.
Take Your White Sheets and Swastikas with you and Please Get that Burned Cross of the Lawn as well...
Thank You
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HONOLULU — The state’s Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.
The state has received multiple requests for a copy of Obama’s birth certificate. State law does not allow officials to release the birth certificate of a person to someone outside of the family. ...
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including [Republican Governor Linda Lingle], has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i,” Fukino said.
What's the issue with that. What I'm hearing from this website comments are akin to screw our civil rights or any other constitutional rights we ALL have, those that oppose that fundamental level of law, put on your uniforms because a civil war is brewing.
Next?
True, the question has been answered. But not by everyone. And doggone it, not by Obama!
I want my turn!
Waaah! NO one is looking at my birth certificate? I went to town special just for to get it and bring it for you to look at! It's even in a birth certificate sized ziplock bag so I won't spill pudding on it again!
I doubt ANYONE is interested in your BC, but keep up the off-topic nonsense.
Seriously? Are you really as stupid as I've been accusing you of being?
Sarcasm. Powerful stuff. You should look into it sometime. While you're at it, check out the link on this website to the story about the Delaware town hall where the crazy woman stands up and accosts the poor GOP representative... all while holding a birth certificate in a ziplock bag.
Petition the government...sounds more official than whining in a liberal website's comments section.
Sounds like "file a lawsuit." Which has been done.
But they cannot show any grievances that they have "legal standing" to redress.
This is all covered in the articles that David Weigel has been posting at this website. Don't you read the articles before coming down into the cellar of comments?
Many of us read lots of things - but what you are referring is just propaganda and derision. Much like your posts on this blog, in fact.
Every time someone calls "Birther" a "nutjob", all they are doing is making an argument to bring back the tyranny of Bush/Cheney. Obama was born in Kenya and Bush/Cheney don't want you to know. Bush/Cheney are only doing what they did for 8 longs years. They lie to get what they want.
Right now, Bush/Cheney want Obama to be President. So they are engineering a lie about Obama's country of birth. Bush/Cheney are like cockroaches who scurry away when anyone shines some light on them.
Like Steve, I say it's about time to shine the light of truth on Bush/Cheney and their pawn Obama. Why are people so worried about the truth? It's because they would rather live a lie than face up to the truth.
Right now, birthers everywhere are mad as hell at you for fucking up their conspiracy theory.
You found the only way to make it LESS plausible than it was before. Nice going.
Stephenperry, not only are there many rooms to explore, there are many other corridors as well. Some of the rooms are inter-connected. Some rooms are as large as football stadiums and others are no larger than linen closets.
I know that the reverence you hold for Bush/Cheney blinds you to what the Birthers are really saying. That's OK. For a few months after 9/11, I was similarly blind. Maybe it will take you decades to achieve what I achieved in a matter of weeks. But you can get there if you just keep trying.
Peace.
I would first like to say that you're creeping me out. Quit looking at me.
Second, I would like to say that your advice is more akin to telling a person who is walking across a narrow bridge over a deep canyon that it would be a nifty idea to try jumping off to the right or left halfway across the bridge.
But I won't say either of those things, because you're clearly too far down the corridor (or one of its many delightful off-shoots!) of some hallucinogenic drug to pay any attention. You think I support Bush/Cheney? Yowza. Can you share what you have left? I'm out of afghan kush...
Yours in Christ,
Stephen
My advice is more akin to telling a person who is walking across a narrow bridge over a deep canyon that it is OK to stop and examine the nature of the canyon.
It is also a good idea to take a careful look at the bridge to ensure it can bear the weight of all the baggage you are bringing with you.
Lastly, it is perfectly acceptable to occasionally ask yourself whether you want to go to where the bridge is leading.
And after the engineers inspect the bridge and they find it to pass all the codes and standards, you continue to stand on the narrow bridge and say I want to see the core samples of the concrete. And the engineer ensures you that every truck's concrete was tested and certified to meet the standard. But you tell the engineer I read on the internet that isn't true and I demand to see the orginal documents. No matter what proof the engineer presents, you respond, they are fakes.
And the people waiting in line to cross the bridge tell you to move to the other side of the bridge so we can start fixing our problems.
billj99 qualifies.
QED
This sort of “reasoning” is fallacious because mocking a claim does not show that it is false
And then look up "Obama Birth Certificate." It'll take you a day to get through all the copies you can look at if you had any legitimate questions whatsoever.
When you come back and ask the SAME questions and cite the SAME bible verse over and over, we'll know you were never sincere.
And, just to avoid the rush and be first in line, I'm not going to bother to stop mocking you, in the meantime.
QED
I sat down at my computer today about 3 PM. I had about 2000 hits. It is now a little after 6 PM and I have over 5000 hits. I now have more volunteers to process than I have time to work on the forms.
These people don't like your style and they don't like your narrow mindedness.
I can remember when liberals were nice people who were just wrong about most things. Now they are wrong and nasty.
The “progressive movement” has shown itself to be a cesspool of intolerant bullies. The trademark personal insult, name calling, ridicule, and ad hominem attacks characterize the debate style of Obama’s people That tactic has worked quite well on the ignorant and those who value feeling more than reason.
Uninformed voted Obama –
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/12/uninf...
But people are cathing on and the tide is turning.
This is not new, transformational politics. This is the rise of a New American Fascism.
Somehow, you know its coming. That OMG moment is just around the corner. You can feel the inescapable reality creeping up on you. Something will leak. Someone will spill the beans.
“For nothing is hid that shall not be made manifest, nor anything secret that shall not be known and come to light.” Luke 8:17
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-o...
Please quit responding to my posts. I am in the weeds.
"I can remember when liberals were nice people who were just wrong about most things. Now they are wrong and nasty." Your've attacking the POTUS. Same as Republicans got mad when the dems attacked President George W Bush.
I probably voted for more Republicans that you (I'm pretty old and always vote). The birthers and other nonsense are driving many of the Republicans out of the Party. I see myself as more of an Independent now. So you have to get more voters to make up for the General Colin Powell and other that are fed up over the far right’s influence in the Republican Party. The Party of President Lincoln, President Teddy Roosevelt, President Eisenhower and President Reagan.
Why is it that so many of the Obama lovers can only engage in ad homenium attacks and think they're making sense?
The're called Forgers for a reason.
We're not Obama "lovers." Maybe some of us are. Not all by any stretch. We're just rational people.
We don't "only engage in ad hominem attacks." This is one thread among many. I first posted here last Friday, 7/17, the day the "Birthers Dog Republicans" story got posted. I saw many logical responses and citations to evidence among the early posts. I added my own. They were polite and they were truthful. They are still there. You can check.
But birthers don't sincerely seek answers to their insulting questions. They never provide answers to your questions, only more questions (insulting ones at that).
And birthers are racists, in addition to being liars.
So after a few iterations of the same story, it's more useful to call a spade a spade, while using the idiocy of the birthers' own tortured, circular reasoning against them, and examining closely the real import of what you birthers are saying, by mocking it. Reductio ad absurdum, I'm sure you're familiar with it.
If you didn't think we were making sense, anyway, why would you care? Why not let us go on and have our sophomoric fun? Not bothering anyone. Just jibber-jabberin' away like monkeys in a tree while you go on and run your Ziplock Bag Birth Certificate Parade.
Forgers? Try Folger's. Might help you think more clearly.
Some racists may be birthers and vice versa but the suggestion that this is a uniformly valid statement is somewhat silly. Most of the birthers may be poorly informed and let their dislike for Obama's policies cause them to believe in these myths.
What validates the righteousness of my stance is the fact that I am a natural born American citizen. Nothing more. Nothing less.
I espouse Righteousness because I self evidently have the right to do so.
I refuse to be marginalized because those I disagree with are contemptuous of the truth. Obama's election is illegitimate because his place of birth violates the laws of the great country.
I don't expect he will resign. Bush/Cheney never resigned when they viciously attacked the Freedoms contained in our constitution. So why should Obama resign when his election also contravenes the articles in this same Constitution?
Obama is a child of Bush/Cheney. We paid for Obama's election by wilfully allowing Bush/Cheney to break the law and make a mockery of what once made us great.
The real Birthers understand this and are not afraid to stand up for what is both right and true.
StephenPerry and AristotleTheHun are just a couple of people making the same argument for the same thing. They just don't know it.
You can (and will I.m sure) babble along as much as you can, but that does not change the issue that Obama has never shown himself eligible to holdd the office he now occupies ... be sure and mention that to him next time you're in his office.
Look at what happened during President George W Bush's watch. Catrina, an unnecessary war in Iraq, a financial mess pale to a Muslin slipped into the Whitehouse. Now if you say President Bush was involved he goes from being incompetent to competent.
I checked my version which states
Nothing here that seems to support your claim. Could you please elaborate? While you have the right for your grievances to be heard, there is no right for them to be acted upon.
The 1st amendment explains
You are free to petition for redress of grievances, however this confers no right beyond this.
As I'm sure you know but don't wish to admit, Obama has not yet shown himself to be eligible under the requirements of the Constitution and he'll eventually have to do so in court.
An your claims that he needn't do so because "he won" is nonsense. It may very well mean that, being ineligible, he is continuing to commit serious crimes ... and some fools are trying to justify that behavoir.
Since there is no such requirement and since the Courts cannot resolve this issue, we may indeed have to wait a very long time for JTX's hopes to become reality.
Repeatedly asking, once you've been politely answered, makes me annoyed.
Repeatedly asking, and inserting distortions into your question, makes me frustrated.
Repeatedly asking, slipping in distortions and lies, and slurring the President's race or the nation of Kenya, all at the same time, ticks me off.
Doing all that at a time when we have two wars and a crippled economy, makes me mad.
But I'm just speaking for myself. Other people may get mad because you people are obviously the result of an underfunded public education system and a 40 year GOP Southern Strategy of playing the fear card from the bottom of the deck. They may be mad on your behalf. I'm mad at you.
See the difference? Hope this helped.
I don't ever remember seeing Palin's birth certificate, or Hillary's for that matter. Bush had his military records redacted and/or classified. Obama at least explains his missteps-- Bush pretended he never made them. And if you don't remember a president being handled with kid gloves, you forget everything that happened between 9/11 and the time the press finally realized Bush was feeding the Constitution to Cheney.
I don't know why I even bother, though. Find someone else from Hawaii and demand to see their birth certificate. If they don't slap you, the only thing they'll have to offer is a Certificate of Live Birth. Why? That's Hawaiian state policy.
But "being answered" as you claim actually misstates the facts of the matter.
those facts are that the man has never shown himself to be eligible under the U. S. Constitution to hold the office he now occupies - NEVER!!
Of course if you have access to some of his never-released and always legally-contested documents I'm sure those would be of great interest. Be sure to tell everyone how you came into possession of them - the court may wish to know (and don't forget, there are penalties for perjury).
The state of HI has pubicly stated that they have Mr. Onamas original BC on file. Are you of the belief that they lie???
I think you're confused. President Barack Hussein Obama II declared his intention to run for President years ago, and eligibility questions were settled then.
The rest of your confusion can be resolved by re-reading what artmayes167 wrote. Get a liberal friend to help you with the difficult words.
Stop drinking the Kool-Aid, man. It's poisonous.
Do a quick search (use Google, if you like) for "Obama birth certificate," you will find an on-line version of the Certificate of Live Birth. HI has a policy of distributing copies of that document to the person to whom it belongs. The do not, as a matter of policy, distribute the filed birth certificate.
There's so much actual information out there. The only way you can still buy in to this conspiracy crap is. . . wait, the average human being has an IQ between 90-109. Chances are I'm talking to one of them. Maybe even a bunch of them.
Sorry guys. Thinking is GOOD. Trust those of us who can do so.
cue the black helos WHUP-WHUP-WHUP...
time to start hauling these wack job (after)'birthers' off for re-education.
Mark my words, America will soon be fighting a five front war:
1. Iraq
2. Afghanistan
3. Tahiti
4. That country right next to Kenya
5. Alaska\Texas (after they succeed from the Union)" --billj99
I was about to get on you for saying radical Muslims put Bush in charge. But then I saw that shit about a war with Tahiti.
billj99, share what you're smoking. It's only fair. You're subjecting us to a stoner's thinking. May as well share a stoner's stash.
I don't have the heart to tell you it's "secede," not "succeed" by the way. Oh. I guess I did have it, after all. Well then. We both learned something. There you go!
Bush would say "secede"
I'm an American. I say succeed because ultimately America will succeed.
If you want to catch the secession express, be my guest. Buses bound for Mexico City depart every half hour. Make sure to pack a lunch.
As for myself, I'm staying right here in Successful-Ville. Have a nice trip.
The ever expanding neural network of interactive digital information (internet, twitter etc.) allows for the consolidation of groups of people with excessively maladaptive cognitive processes, and the injection of increasingly irrational tendencies into our social fabric. Long term, a continuation of this trend will undermine our capacity to function as an interdependent community of 300 million souls.
If that statement sounds true to you, please slap yourself and wake up!!!! Ya lost and have nothing against this prez other than your southern and you disagree with his views!
My Wife is Japanese and I'm American.
My Sons have Dual Citizenship.
They have Two Passports until age [18]
Its called Dual Citizenship...
Meaning: Both American & Japanese Passports & Citizenship.
Some of You are so Damn [Dumb]
Most of You Loonies Lying on President Obama, don't even Possess a Passport or your Original and 1st Issued SSN or Birth Certificate.
I could not get a Passport if I did not have a SSN and Birth Certificate.
I couldn't get Credit or anything without Birth Certificate & SSN to Match.
Obama has [BOTH]
Move to Canada or Europe...
He's President Of The USA and he is an American Citizen...Period
The 'left' heard that sh*t for the last 8 years: "Love it or Leave it !!
Turn around is 'fair play', but ut's REALLY gotta 'sting'...
SUCKS to be you, you betcha! [turn to camera] WINK !
"After the DNC requested a dismissal of Berg’s lawsuit, he responded in a Sept. 29, 2008 filing that cited numerous Internet rumors and incorrect citations of American and international law. Berg cited “Wikipedia Italian version” and “Rainbow Edition News Letter” as evidence..."
Berg argued that there was “absolutely no way Obama could have ever regained ‘natural born’ status.”
“That’s just completely wrong,” said Mitzi Torri, an Arizona-based immigration lawyer.
Obama’s step-grandmother Sarah Obama, who lives in Kenya, being goaded into saying (through a translator) that the future president was born in Kenya before quickly correcting herself. (A doctored version of this tape, which cuts off before the retraction, is posted on YouTube.)
Another claim: Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981, when it was illegal for an American to do so, suggesting that he used a non-American passport. The problem is that there never was any such ban. small PROBLEM for substantiation.
“We have no record of any travel ban between America and Pakistan during that period or since,” said Noel Clay, a spokesman for the State Department.
“We got that from someplace,” Berg told TWI on Thursday. In an email, he added his paralegal was “reviewing” his files on Pakistan. Yet the false claim appears in Orly Taitz’s lawsuit on behalf of perennial presidential candidate Alan Keyes, which argues that Obama visited Pakistan “when entrance to Pakistan was banned to Americans, Christians and Jews,” proof that he gave up his American citizenship. (One might suggest that they got it by pulling it outta someone's ass, you know, like the "THREE KINGS" Iraqi 'Ass Map'?
“Polarik” submitted an affidavit in support Orly Taitz’s Keyes case that is signed “XXXXXXXXXXX,” making it inadmissible. “If it ever comes down to it,” explained Gary Kreep, another lawyer for Keyes, “we’ll use his real name.” (Hello, 'it came down to 'it', and was tossed, ya think THAT might have been a good time to 'come forward'?
Carl Swensson, a conservative activist from Georgia, has organized “Citizens’ Grand Juries” that have indicted the president for treason. Now these boys do have experience in 'organizing' but it's going to be a tough 'sell' when their jurors show up in WHITE SHEETS, not black robes.
Mario Apuzzo, a New Jersey attorney, has sued Obama on the grounds that he never was, and never could be, a “natural born” citizen. Both men pass over precedent for “The Law of Nations,” the 1758 treatise by the 18th century French scholar Emerich de Vattel. “It’s what the founding fathers used,” explained Swensson.
And, these are the same fu*kers that last week were RANTING about Sotomayor wanting to apply 'FUR-IN' law on MUR-icans!! What a difference a week makes, eh?
FULL CIRCLE > ‘this is idiotic, but explain to me why,’”
asked and answered. the GOOD ATTORNEYS (ya know, the ones getting paid) say it's BS, and the (after)'birther' attys, well... sharp? not so much.
fu*king retarded racist pond scum (after)'birther' clowns. go home and bang a hog and/or your sister.
A woman died a horrible, gruesome, painful death. Cancer is never easy. Those of us who have watched loved ones eaten away by this disease know this.
I don't care if you're sub-human, which you have amply shown yourself to be, but enough already.
You are a racist.
You want to know how I know you are a racist? And yes, you are very definately a racist. It's because you have absolutely no compunction about dehumanizing another person. You are completely willing, even eager, to reduce someone's mother to nothing more than the basest, most degrading, animalistic level possible.
That's always the first step for a racist; dehumainze those you would victimize. Gotta remove any vestige of empathy - short work for you, I'm sure.
So how about you quit trying to be coy. Forget the occassional post pretending to just an intellectual question of eligibility, you don't really mean it. Forget the protestations of feigned outrage at being called out for what you are, you aren't really offended by it.
You don't really give a flying rat's ass about the birth certificate or the issue of 'natural born' citizen. Those could be addressed without attacking a woman who died a slow, torturous death in front of her children.
You want, no, you NEED to degrade her. You need to make her less, so that you can feel justified in your hatred. That's why you need to post pictures you hope will bring her down to your level. And when that doesn't work, you start throwing in insults about her sexuality, something you know nothing about, in hopes of getting a reaction to that.
It's all about dehumanizing the "other", making them appear to be less than you, because you believe they are less than you, you need them to be brought down.
Because Obama is half-black, you have to hate his mother for sleeping with men of color, for sullying the pure white gene pool - that's why you have to make such a big deal of her sexuality.
Because she did that, we have a half black president. That's why you have to attack her. You are a racist.
Obama's mother, on the other hand, was apparently a pretty good woman. The proof of course, is that her children, especially her son, would never lower themselves to the public behavior you have relished in all afternoon, and which you have apparently spent quite a bit of time at beyond this thread.
You are a racist.
Go back to your dirty pictures, nobody here cares about them except for you and the other racists pretending this has anything to do with Hawaiian birth records.
Really enjoy your posts - well thought out stuff.
If one looks at what is truly fueling this conspiracy theory-- as one group of concerned citizens at the politijab DOT com forum have been doing for months now--one quickly finds that some of the most dangerous and vile anti-government and racist hate groups are driving the issue and using it to recruit new members.
Many of the birthers are clinging to a vision of the USA that is long past, and maybe never existed. They fear change and diversity, and they cannot accept what is happening before their own eyes. These people are being recruited, slowly, into much more dangerous existing hate groups. They are being encouraged daily to "take up arms" and "join militias" and "take their country back at all costs" and "get that Kenyan usurper and his gorilla wife out of office". Check any birther chat or blog and these types of comments are rampant. Most of the birthers are likely harmless "armchair warriors", but such sentiments are dangerous and the racism present in them is absolutely sickening.
Please look further into the roots of this idiocy. That is where the real story exists. No one wants to see another tragedy like the recent events involving Von Brunn, who espoused birther theories on the internet before picking up his gun and shooting an innocent man.
Tell that to the DMV when you apply for a license.
Come to think of it, he got to be President with what he showed already.
Chaps your ass somethin' fierce, doesn't it?
Poverty won.
Because unless you have proof of that, then you're back to Square One. Staring at a black President.
Enjoy!
I don't understand why people keep saying a birth certificate has anything to do with race.
You only learned who G Gordon Liddy is when he went on Hardball. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts you don't know what he's famous for without checking Wikipedia.
Oh and the answer to your facetiously-put question is that no one cared two shits about a birth certificate for the previous 43 Presidents. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out. A creationist could tell you it's a racist put-up job.
Its the birthers claiming that Obama's true allegiance is to non-white countries. And that radical African Muslims paid for Obama's lies so he could be president.
What white candidate has ever been asked to prove his citizenship this way? Obama isnt the first president with a dad born somewhere else, why the big deal now? You have no idea about the birth circumstances of any other candidate, other than what has been reported, but only the black guy has you all excited. Why him? Why now?
Is it all just a cooincidence?
Tell that to the ugly guy in the mirror.
It is those of us (not a Republican) who want the Constitution followed and dislike the Obama deception. We are fed up with both parties deceptions. The demicans AND Republicrats are discredited and should be banned.
Please set forth, with specificity, what you contend the true facts are.
Please provide evidence, in the form of active hyperlinks, to the source(s) you relied upon in arriving at the true facts. Naturally, you will be sure to provide links for every single fact you assert.
Thanks for cracking this decades-old conspiracy involving thousands of state and federal officials of both parties. I was just wondering when a hero like you would arrive to save the day.
He wouldn't be qualified to be president because he was born at sea, but you wouldn't be able tell unless you could see the original birth document.
Where's the conspiracy ?
What's the matter, can't keep your lies straight? Or did you need another lie when the first fell apart?
Or, are you birthers going to split into warring factions now? Will there be the Kenyan Birthers battling it out with the Born At Sea Birthers? What about the He's Really an Indonesian Muslim and Therefore Not A Real Citizen Birthers?
Oh, goody, this is WAY better than reality TV.
It doesn't matter if he was born on a ship, in Kenya, or on Krypton. If he wasn't born in the US he cannot be president. Just have Hawaii show us the long form and this thing is over.
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
No matter, best to let these idjits take front stage because the only value they now serve for this country is providing comic relief for the grim outcome that these rubes helped create.
Trust me, seeing the Republican Party in its death throes is fine by me!! I just wonder if we will now simply run unopposed in any meaningful way for a time, or if the moderate, rational folks that once belonged to the Republican Party but have now run screaming will move to build something new?
No matter, I do think we may truly be seeing the death of the Party. And we have the birthers to thank for delivering the final, fatal blow.
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
Please also forward those photos to all of your republican representatives and encourage them to forward the photos to every person they know! Including the press!
Thank you, birther, thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU
Make up your own mind whether they are real or not.
And, honestly, if you all are so into forged documents, you surely must realize how easy it is to adjust photos?
Post some nude pics of you, I'll show you how easy it is to do - I'll make you look well-hung.
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
A heartfelt thank for your tremendous, ongoing efforts to make republicans look like a bunch of know-nothing, racist nutcases. Thank you for your unwavering devotion to this idiotic issue despite the mountain of contradictory facts thrown in your face every day. Thank you for attacking the moderates and thinking, rational people in your party, and for driving them to run away from your party, screaming in horror, at lightning speed. Thank you for being so completely delusional that you refuse to acknowledge that President Obama is sitting in the White House running the United States. Thank you for ignoring all the real issues going on in the USA right now. Thank you.
Please do keep all this insanity going until we have successfully passed health care reform, the energy bill, education reform, and have successfully brought a case challenging bans on gay marriage to the Supreme Court. Please stay the course. It may be difficult, but you can do it! Please keep this up at least through 2010. We really appreciate you embarrassing and alienating decent republican candidates and voters, inserting a huge wedge in your party, keeping your money and focus on this issue while ignoring the mid-term elections altogether. Thank you. Thank you.
We plan to do so much in the coming months, and then we plan to gain more House and Senate seats and expand our complete control of the entire government in 2010! Your help in this endeavor is very much appreciated.
Thank you birthers, thank you.
Maybe you all really ARE true patriots after all?
Thank you for helping us take the country back.
Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting near you and raise this issue LOUDLY. I suggest then leading a rousing rendition of the Battle Hymn of the Republic when you do not get the answer you want!
Thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-x2OxWd4YY
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
Please also forward those photos to all of your republican representatives and encourage them to forward the photos to every person they know! Including the press!
Thank you, birther, thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
Thank you.
Also, I think those pictures (whoever it is, and I don't care if they were Bush's mother either) are quite tastefully done. Get yourself an education and an appreciate of fine art and stop looking looking at the female body as something dirty.
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
Greg - there is NO forensic evidence, rumors posted on right-wing sites are NOT evidence.
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
What's the number one cause of Cervical Cancer ? Isn't it Human Pappiloma Virus ?
How do you catch that ? Isn't it by Multiple Sex partners ? I.E. Being a Slut ?
Use the wide stance much in the men's room, diogenes?
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
I can prove it too - Diogenes, post some nude pics of youself and I'll show you how easy it is to fake them - I'll make you look well-hung.
Or, like most birthers, are you more interested in yelling than listening?
Obama, for the umpteenth time, has shown every proof he was legally required to show - just like all the other candidates did. The only people having a problem with this are the people who want to believe he is bad, so they refuse to look at the real evidence - they only look at the sites that will confirm what they already want to believe.
If you are only getting info from sites that tell you what you want to believe, that's what you'll get.
Can you see Argentina from your porch in SC?.
But he won't do that. Because he is pathetic.
A heartfelt thank for your tremendous, ongoing efforts to make republicans look like a bunch of know-nothing, racist nutcases. Thank you for your unwavering devotion to this idiotic issue despite the mountain of contradictory facts thrown in your face every day. Thank you for attacking the moderates and thinking, rational people in your party, and for driving them to run away from your party, screaming in horror, at lightning speed. Thank you for being so completely delusional that you refuse to acknowledge that President Obama is sitting in the White House running the United States. Thank you for ignoring all the real issues going on in the USA right now. Thank you.
Please do keep all this insanity going until we have successfully passed health care reform, the energy bill, education reform, and have successfully brought a case challenging bans on gay marriage to the Supreme Court. Please stay the course. It may be difficult, but you can do it! Please keep this up at least through 2010. We really appreciate you embarrassing and alienating decent republican candidates and voters, inserting a huge wedge in your party, keeping your money and focus on this issue while ignoring the mid-term elections altogether. Thank you. Thank you.
We plan to do so much in the coming months, and then we plan to gain more House and Senate seats and expand our complete control of the entire government in 2010! Your help in this endeavor is very much appreciated.
Thank you birthers, thank you.
Maybe you all really ARE true patriots after all?
Thank you for helping us take the country back.
Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting near you and raise this issue LOUDLY. I suggest then leading a rousing rendition of the Battle Hymn of the Republic when you do not get the answer you want!
Thank you.
Potter said "To the extent that we could,.." meaning he relied on the word of 0bama and his supporters that he was born in Hawai'i but Potter never saw 0bama's OFFICIAL long form "Birth Certificate" with his own eyes. So in a court of law Potter's opinion means squat.
The Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) printed on June 6, 2007 merely refers to the probable existence of an ORIGINAL long form Birth Certificate. During a Lou Dobbs exchange on the topic recent information came to light that 0bama's ORIGINAL long form Birth Certificate was DISCARDED eight (8) years ago when Hawai'i went electronic. So, any Hawai'ian official claiming to have seen the Birth Certificate or has it locked away safely in their office or have handled it are either lying or they are lying.
Furthermore, if 0bama obtained the Certificate of Live Birth on June 6, 2007 then what Official document did he use to obtain an Illinois driver's license and a US passport to travel abroad when a Birth Certificate, as opposed to a COLB, is required to obtain both?
Rep John Campbell is going about this the right way with the so-called "Birther Bill". A resolution requiring nominees present an OFFICIAL long form "Birth Certificate" is the only way to legally and OFFICIALLY get to the bottom of this controversy.
"In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution."
- Thomas Jefferson
Thank you, birther, thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU
And they would have remembered that ONE particular birth certificate out of all those hundreds of thousands produced by their department? Yeah, right. *lol* Use YOUR head next time.
I am very upset that the media and other liberals in America are ignoring the obvious fact of how the "evidence" that the "rational" people are suggesting refutes the unavoidable TRUTH that we have a Kenyan as POTUS - Time travel! Obviously, Obama and his cronies have gone back in time and changed the official records in Hawaii and posted the advertisement in the Honalulu newpaper. What's more, I have been told by an expert in such matters that Obama's time machine is fueled by t-cells extracted from third-trimester aborted fetuses and blood from endangered species. I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!! {spontaneous declaration of something irrelevant follows here}
I propose legislation to outlaw campaign time travel, but only on a going-forward basis for the next election campain, requiring all candidates to certify that they are incapable of rational thought and the discernment of truth from blithering idiocy to ensure that our govenrment is controlled by "real Americans!"
To paraphrase Stephen Colbert - it is well known that the truth has a liberal bias.
JFK authorized the DOD to begin time travel experiments they same time he gave NASA the go ahead to fake the moon landings. In one of the early experiments they traveled to 1975 and convinced the Bee Gees to give up on folk music and go disco.
Having suceeded in that JFK realized the only way he could realise his dream of putting a black muslim communist into the white house was to fake the paperwork on the birth certificates.
Its was a genius masterplan that almost worked except the patriots left in the Republican party are not going to sit idle and let it.
YOU LOST THE ELECTION, NOW DEAL WITH IT. A guy w/a black father and white mother is NOT your enemy. Stop acting the fool. Now. Please. This is getting really embarrassing and we have a few REAL PROBLEMS to deal with....
LOL.
This is not about wingnuts, except for the ones that want to change the constitution to suit a liar!
Of course Obama has provided MORE than this. We have an official certification from the appropriate office in Hawaii, we have a statement from the Republican Governor of Hawaii. We have two birth announcements in local Hawaiian news papers.
Tell wise one. What would put this to rest for you?
The answer is nothing. No one in the US could prove any more clearly that they were born in the US to anyone unless the doubter were in the delivery room. I suspect their hatred of Obama would probably be strong enough to rework their memories anyway. If Obama's parents took video of his wife driving to the hospital and continuously filmed to the delivery, someone would claim the film was doctored.
Obama has bent over backward and proved beyond a doubt that he is a citizen. Could you get an affidavit from the Governor of your birth state?
This is all fueled by hatred. I personally believe that hatred is partial based on racism and partially based on the fear ginned up for decades by the Republicans.
The RNC would rather see a civil war than Democratic control.
1. Over 25 year Family-Friends Relationship with the Bin Laden Family.
2. Had the FBI Escort Bin Laden Family & Saudi Royals Flown Home, during a No Fly Zone Period, when he could have Used the Bin Laden Family Members as Bait, Bargaining or Hostages, until Bin Ladens Surrender or Capture.
3. The Bush Business Ties [Prescott Bush] and the Republican-Corporate American Ties to Communist-Socialist China and how in 30 Years, the USA helped China become the World Dominant Economic Power.
Republicans: Prescott, George H.W. Bush, Nixon, Reagan & George W. Bush Jr....
By the Time Poor Clinton became President, the Red Communist-Socialist Chinese were Well Entrenched.
4. We Owe China 6 years and Counting, 20 Billion Per Month with Interest, to Finance our 2 Mid-East Wars and they Own Large Government Bonds.
Thank You [Republican Party & Corporate America]
Job Poorly Done
Talk about Con Men
Who was Presidenet in 1961 when Barry Obama was born? Do you Left wingers even no your basic history? Well let me tell you.
It was JFK , a DEMOCRAT! It is as well known fact that JFK used his Special Opps forces to place phony birth announcments in Hawaiian newspapers. Witness at the time reported black unmarked helicopters landing nearby.
And now after all these years the plan is complete and the libs can force their Evil agenda of peace, prosperity and health care.
You are a uninformed tool of the GOP and corporate elite which have dominated the policies of this nation for decades, creating artificial scarcity of goods, services, and healthcare for profit alone, and manufacturing wars and coup de tats to control the resources of 3rd world countries, and you think it's the libs with a evil plan? Go figure.
Your hero Ronald Reagan the "little horn of satan in the flesh" is the sell out on the grandest scale!
Columbia has a concordat with the Pope. A concordat is a treaty with the Pope. Hitler had a concordat. Mussolini had a concordat. Franco had a concordat. They want to set up a concordat here, which was the reason for Reagan formally recognizing the sovereign state of Vatican City in 1984. The greatest traitor we ever had was Ronald Reagan.
The New World Order has been actively in play for decades, so if it took the election of Obama to wake you up to reality, I would imagine that you still have no idea whats actually going on, and your uninformed ranting only obfuscates the truth, Obama is breaking down those institutional power structures and aliances that apparently you are fighting to preserve.
The GOP has always be part of the NWO take-over, why else would the so-called free-market, free trade model have such a negative affect on the median incomes of American citizens over the last 25 years if it's purpose was to create a better quality of life for Americans, and please don't say they are trying to help growth in emarging markets, when they oppose healthcare for 47M American citizens.
study to show thyself approved, for we die for a lack of knowlegde, spare the passion, build your knowledge!
That should have been a big enough clue that the author was using satire to make a point, but apparently not big enough for some.
If the Obama administration chose to do anything, it could send some experts to look at it, but I doubt that it would do any good.
#2 No white President has ever been treated like this. It's very shabby.
Aloha,
Thank you for emailing Governor Linda Lingle's office. A recent article in WorldNetDaily.com (October 26, 2008) claiming that Hawai‘i Governor Linda Lingle sealed Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate is false.
Under Hawai‘i's state law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18), copies of vital records may only be released to those who have a tangible relationship to the person whose record is being sought. Neither the Governor's office, nor any other office in the State of Hawai'i, can provide information concerning birth certificates, or produce birth certificates, to anyone except those who are listed in the law governing vital statistics records.
Vital statistics records, such as birth certificates, are protected by strict confidentiality requirements. Specifically, pursuant to section 338-18, Hawai‘i Revised Statutes (HRS), the Department of Health, which maintains these records, may not allow the inspection of a birth certificate, or issue a certified copy of a birth certificate, or disclose any information contained in a birth certificate, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record:
(a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.
(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:
(1) The registrant;
(2) The spouse of the registrant;
(3) A parent of the registrant;
(4) A descendant of the registrant;
(5) A person having a common ancestor with the registrant;
(6) A legal guardian of the registrant;
(7) A person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant;
(8) A personal representative of the registrant's estate;
(9) A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;
(10) Adoptive parents who have filed a petition for adoption and who need to determine the death of one or more of the prospective adopted child's natural or legal parents;
(11) A person who needs to determine the marital status of a former spouse in order to determine the payment of alimony;
(12) A person who needs to determine the death of a nonrelated co-owner of property purchased under a joint tenancy agreement; and
(13) A person who needs a death certificate for the determination of payments under a credit insurance policy.
You can find the complete statute at http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_...
Mahalo,
Office of Governor Lingle
That's contradicted by what you quote. You've got copy 'n' paste mastered, now try reading.
What part of "Office of the Governor" don't you understand?
This is from the Official Goverment Site for the State of Hawaii.
I believe it is you who needs to stop lying.
U.S. Senators are also required to pass a stringent national security check in order for them to receive the necessary national security clearance for them to do their job. When President Obama became U.S. Senator, he also had to undergo a national security check to be granted the appropriate national security clearance to perform his job as a U.S. Senator.
He has had a U.S. passport since he was a child. In order to obtain a U.S. passport, one must submit the original birth certificate to the State Department, where it is verified and authenticated.
Those of you who chose to deny any and all evidence and proof are just doing this because you don't like the fact that our President is not white. Get over it and start behaving like Americans! Denying the legitimately elected and sworn in President of the United States is as un-American as can be.
Why on earth would McCain raise the issue when his eligibility was in question as well? That would be a bit stupid!
Check out www.wnd.com. Pre purchase a copy of the dvd that explains the birthers position. I believe many of you non believers will begin to have questions after you review the dvd.
But the media pays attention to Palin's ethic violations and its because they're the liberal elite media. She's found guilty and pays fines and still says she has never been found guilty and the media is up to something for reporting it.
Nice theory. One more dispelled.
Riiight.
As far as why he'd raise it when his own was in question? Either he felt secure in the knowledge he could legally run, or he felt secure that pointing the light at Obama's citizenship would effectively refocus the laser-eyebeam level paranoia elsewhere.
Either way, it's not rocket science. And "lol" at the phrase "non-believer" - this is political bollocks, not the coming of Christ. It's not an issue of faith, it's an issue of common sense.
Can't we just give them Texas and let them all degenerate naturally?
http://yannone.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-obama-i...
You may not agree with the arguments, but a photo copy from Hawaii isn't enough to "prove" he was born in Hawaii.
If I create a paper print out of my birth so called "hometown of birth" using about 30 minutes in photo shop or someone's database, am I a hawaii citizen too?
Give me break. There is no evidence to prove he was born in Hawaii or Indonesia.
The point is they won't release his birth records. And there is a LOT, and I do mean a lot of circumstantial evidence to suggest he's not a US citizen.
Including eye witnesses and newspaper articles overseas, which means, this is going to get quite ugly since this is about the "LAW" and still no one has shown where he was born.
All the circusmsantial evidence you point to has been shot down.
There are no eyewitnesses to a birth overseas.
If I get a copy of someone's check even if it was wrote with monopoly money using someone else's name and not a real checkbook, is that suddenly "evidence" I am the writer and depositor of that check?
And no witnesses? I don't think you have ever examined the evidence. There is a lot of witnesses who say, and have showed records, of him as well as his parents being in Indonesia and another country -- including a lot which the military has...which is very concerning.
Start thinking about the fact that well, he might not be a US citizen and that does really matter for a lot of reasons. If it was Bush and so called "righties" were defending him it would be the same legal problem, there's someone in office who can't prove where they were born.
But it's as real as the original with the seal.
And it is NOT most importantly, a paper printout off the computer
So if I made a paper printout (NOT the course, rough paper that a birth cert is) that said I was born in......China?
I would now be considered a chinese citizen and oh it was stamped with the same date. Let me just ask you again if that is what you are claiming.
Without taking sides here, is that what you are claiming? I'd be chinese?
You can't even apply for a passport with that yellow-parchment gold-seal footprint thingie that looks so impressive and original to you. You have to request an official document from your state and they will issue a certification of live birth. What that will look like and what will be on that, will vary from state to state. For example, mine does not have footprints and DOES in fact look exactly like a photocopy made onto a sheet of normal, uncoarse, un-rough paper with a blue border on it albeit the paper is watermarked. It has an embossed seal and a stamp with date of issuance from the registrar which is the year 2007 (just like Obama's). It's so very plain looking. This "thing that looks like a normal piece of paper" is the ONLY document acceptable when applying for a passport. They practically laughed at me when I presented my old parchment with footprints on it at the post office. This plain paper photocopy looking thing is exactly what Obama was issued from his state, what has been examined in person by fact checking organizations, photos of itall over the net showing the embossed seal etc; what has been verified by the State of Hawaii itself. Your delusions are nobody's problem but your own, but a quick remedy would be for you to call the Hawaii Dept of Heath yourself and ask them if your claims are accurate about their official documents..and argue with them about how you "know better." Then get back to us how that goes for you.
When I applied for a U.S. passport a couple of years ago, I ran into difficulty because the federal government did not recognize my original hospital birth certificate as an official record of birth--it lacked the necessary embossed, notarized seal from the local county.
So I had to apply to the state government for an official, notarized record of birth, which required filling out forms, paying fees, supplying other documentation, and waiting 8 weeks for them to confirm the validity of the information with the local county records office.
So my official birth certificate, the one that the federal government recognizes, is the same type that Obama has in Hawaii.
WHAT PART DON'T YOU CLOWNS GET! YOU THINK YOU'RE ALL SO SMART, YOU SOUND LIKE THE IDIOT YOU CLEARLY ARE! THE STATE OF HAWAII, THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR OF HAWAII HAS SEEN THE ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
STATES DO NOT GIVE ANYONE THE ORIGINAL! GET IT NOW?? PROBABLY NOT! 9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB, RIGHT?
all his birth records have been released there are no other records.
actually you get to an interesting point here --- you side needs to prove in was not born in hawaii. where is that proof
The document that was posted on the web was an original COLB from the State of Hawaii, the authenticity of which has been verified by the director of the responsible state department.
The point is they won't release his birth records.
He did, see above.
There is no evidence to prove he was born in Hawaii.
Other than the official document provided by the state of Hawaii, the same one that can be used to apply for a US passport. In other words, absolute evidence.
I have an original, typed, signed birth certificate from 50 years ago. The government would not accept it when I applied for my passport, they wanted the state issued COLB, just like the one that Obama has.
You people are really clueless.
'In one translation, de Vattel writes that “the natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” '
Then Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Jackson, etc. were constitutionally unfit to be president since each was born a British subject.
No?
I rest my case.
Obama can not actually even prove he was born in the United States, this should certainly concern everyone. He's offered a "PAPER" printout copy of "something"
I have my original Birth Certificate in my hand and my states gave it out to me for free, all he has to do is go to the office, pull it out seal & all and put it before a camera and then put it away.
http://yannone.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-obama-i...
http://www.yannone.org/BlogDocs/KerchnerAdverto...
http://yannone.blogspot.com/2009/07/usurper-upd...
But instead what they did sealed up all the records......And that is of concern to many americans, that's the actions of communists when you hide public records like that.
Again if he was a fully proven US citizen, then Military officers would not be allowed to discharge from duty as well as ignore any orders to go overseas. Countless military officers have automatically ignored orders, because based on the law, they can not prove he is a US citizen which CONCERNS every citizen of the country.
but lets say you have the original for fun. there is a fire in your house it is burned up. now you need to show when you were born. you go to the states. oops they dont have it because they gave you the original and you destroyed it.
try again
I'm holding a FIRST rate original of it right now smart guy.
Gold seal at the top. Clearly made from what else, very old paper like one of those "constitution" documents. It has the seal of approval NAILED across the top.
And you're telling me this is not my certificate....it's just a hoax??
You make no sense. At most the document is a second hand iteration, but after handling it countless times, it's the closest to ORIGINAL record you can come to.
How about you just get off your conspiracy theory behind and call the Hawaii Dept of Health for yourself and ask about the differences between an original hospital record and the official certificate they issue. Place of birth is not one of those differences, they will be happy to put your deluded mind to rest.
That's the most ludicrous argument I've ever heard. If you try that in court they will laugh you right out of it.
If I made a copy record that had "no footprints" like it looked as if it was out of the Department of Health and so on, that's going to mean I live in China?
All I do is say that it means I live in China...therefore because it's the SAME document with China listed instead....I live in China???
You got to be joking. And the Gold seal does matter.
The truth is they could settle this all ages ago by just releasing the records and photos of them, then it's over with.
But they don't and sealed up the records, stamped and all because there is concern he's not a US citizen.
2) Obama's is real because it is the official document issued by the State of Hawaii to people born in Hawaii and it has been verified by them. All your parchment paper gold seal footprint spew and about how that constitutes "real proof" is pure b.s. and you've been called on it.
My official document, valid for obtaining a passport, has no gold seal. So you can just leave ALL OF THAT OUT of your argument, now, because you are repeatedly demonstrating you KNOW NOTHING about what you are saying. Because you are an ignorant hillbilly who has never even gone so far as to get a passport.
2. Who is "they" that supposedly sealed up all the records???? I guess "they" did this in hopes that someone "they" didn't even know was going to run for president one day?????
3. Military officers have not been allowed to discharge from duty(?) or ignore orders to go overseas. The instance you are referring to (because there has only been one) resulted from a volunteer deciding that he did not want to go. As in this case the nutjob had already been dismissed from going by the military (they didn't want him either apparently) long before the suit. He purposely enlisted and then unenlisted within the 30 day window. Again facts please.
oh wait, he's not sarah palin. he's the president. he doesn't whine, he doesn't quit, he leads. 2 wars, economic collapse, healthcare in shambles, iran/honduras/n korea on the edge, and some of you think this crap matters?
can't wait for obama 2012. i predict 80% electoral.
None of them realize how a candidate is registered to become President of the USA. That is, each candidate must register with each state separately. It means that 50 states and 6 providences and territories ALL agreed that President Obama was/is eligible to become President.
Apparently all these people involved were part of that Kenyan plot made 48/49 years ago.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Sounds like this quote fits birthers to a tee.
She Quit while her state is falling into Russia territory!
Why spend a million dollars in legal fees to prolong the question when you can show the real long form certified birth certificate already in your possession and end the issue. Just because you are President, you are still expected to obey the law. Nixon (White guy) is a good example if you took a America history class.
Please stop playing the race card and answer the question why spend a million dollars when a $12.00 certified long form birth certificate from Hawaii would put an end to the question. It appears that you are the racist in this matter.
You are ridiculous and America is getting tired of the reverse racism card. It's used up. Birthers cannot stand that a black man is the leader and keep demanding what YOU decide is proof (but it changes anytime the standard is met). You ignore what the state of Hawaii says is acceptable. Are you so small town that you don't realize states vary on their guidelines concerning birth certificates or is it simply that you don't like the answer you get invalidating your pipe dream?
You just read that NO state department ever release the original document, but provide official copies. I don't know where you get this $12.00 fee from, but you are full of racist bullcrap.
Just admit that you don't like the guy because he is black and move on. I may not agree with you, however I would respect your views if you, at least, admit them.
Courts have heard the arguments enough to show that they have NO merit and the media has completely debunked the myth. The President going further is just giving a national platform to pathetic radical right wing fringe groups.
Such a stupid argument.
You idiots are the only ones still harping about this, none of your defenders in the media can even handle a real conversation on the matter without being stumbled into an idiotic rant
Mayee this was never a christian nation. It was founded by many that were christians but they chose wisely to keep the government secular. Read the Treaty of Tripoli which was ratified by congress in 1797
"Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
Read the letters of Franklin, Jefferson and others and you will see that most of the founding fathers felt it was best to keep government and religion seperate.
I say we all stand and pledge allegiance and take a polygraph to prove we're american!
This is just another right wingnut tactic to divert attention away from the real problems our country faces- those they also refuse to address. It's ridiculous, sad and nothing more than moronic racial politics used by bigots who can't accept that we elected a person of color as president.
It is politically beneficial for him to have people see the GOP as nothing but political gad flies.
This crap continues to this day with Sessions proclaiming Obama's health care plan as a Waterloo moment. Meantime, on the DixiePubs website (my new name for the Republican Party) the only thing they can offer on health care is--you guess it--tax breaks to pay for a plan.
Waterloo moment, indeed . . .
Obama already presented his birth certificate to the people that matter. NO ONE gets an original copy of their birth certificate. If you go to the DMV, you bring your certificate of live birth, not your original birth certificate. He's the president (and legally, I might add), he doesn't have to do any more to prove his citizenship than he already has. If you had good evidence, you would have a case. But you don't. So deal with it and shut up.
The funny thing is, you don't even know what you would do if by some reversal of the planets that Obama was somehow president illegally. What then? Biden is president? Pelosi? Or maybe you think there will be a reelection and Sarah Palin will be our new president. LOL. What exactly is your plan of action besides being racist and frustrated?
Have fun looking like the stupidest people in the world.
Sincerely,
America
You said it in nutshell. What do you mean "The people that matter"? It was thought that all US citizens had a right to be concerned with their government. Did not Lincoln say: "Of the people -By the people and For the People"? Is it now the principle of the left winged Demo-rats: "The people that matter"?
After all, the matter is a moot point now anyway. Obama is the President and that genie can't be put back in the bottle.
The reason that I know that Obama is a natural born citizen? Do you think that Hillary Clinton would have allowed him on the primary ballots if there was a chance in hell that he was ineligible for office?
No one has added more fuel to the fire with this birth certificate conspiracy nonsense than this Polarik character. He has done immeausurable damage to the Republican party and the conservative moment by posting one lie after another. Just google Polarik on a google blog search, and his schizophrenia has been well documented.
CNN and Fox will keep up with it since it appears to bring in ratings.
As for those who quote early founders not being qualified and try to equate them with Barry: this is 2009!
And no not all suits have been thrown out.
And ACORN is being prosecuted nation-wide: thus I suppose a lot of you defending something you cannot verify would defend them, too.
Amazing that we have l8-62 year olds as US Troops being systematically sacrificed on foreign soil each generation for this: and OPEN BORDERS USA Criminal Illegal Alien Invaders and drug runners and heathen breeders for auyto-welfare citizenship for birthing from womb to tomb now 8 EIGHT generations on the backs of the diminishing working citizens of generations as taxpayers. Keep defending your whims...see where you end up..
What a waste: compare the two keyboards who think they are cute versus someone giving their life for Y O U
Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them DO Unto You
The truth has come out. The state of Hawaii has stated he was born there. Every case has been thrown out.
Relax, in 25-50 years you will be the minority and we promise to not treat you as you have treated us.
"Berg’s filings made other claims that have shown up in anti-Obama lawsuits and in the proliferation of “birther” Website. One relies on an audio tape of Obama’s step-grandmother Sarah Obama, who lives in Kenya, being goaded into saying (through a translator) that the future president was born in Kenya before quickly correcting herself. (A doctored version of this tape, which cuts off before the retraction, is posted on YouTube.) Another claim: Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981, when it was illegal for an American to do so, suggesting that he used a non-American passport. The problem is that there never was any such ban."
and...
"‘Birthers’ who refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth often cite the expertise of “Dr. Ron Polarik,” a self-described “expert in computer graphics” who maintains a blog at Townhall.com and has recorded a video, in which his face and voice are blurred, explaining how the image was “forged” with Adobe Photoshop. “Polarik” submitted an affidavit in support Orly Taitz’s Keyes case that is signed “XXXXXXXXXXX,” making it inadmissible."
and, particularly troubling...
"Apuzzo is not convinced. He argued that the founders wrote the phrase “natural born citizen” for a reason; to make sure that no one with “blood ties” to another country could become president. He speculated what might happen if Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-La.), whose parents were Indian, became president. “India is a nuclear power. Here comes the president, who says we have to go in and attack Pakistan. Are we doing that because we are defending India’s interests? You just don’t know. You can’t have Constitutional rule if you allow this.”
This would mean the native americans are the only people with rights to be here, and we'll have to go back to the countries where we have "blood ties". What country are you from Mayree? My "blood ties" are to Ireland.
There is plenty of evidence showing Obama is a natural born US citizen and ZERO evidence even suggesting he wasn't born here. I have never seen Bush's birth certificate so should I assume UNTIL I see a physical copy of his birth records that he is a foreigner?
Again, nothing you said about Obama isn't insane ramblings of someone who just hates the President... nothing more.
Your post is a perfect example of the baseless anti-Obama rants that have become typical.
You offer no PROOF that Obama isn't a citizen or that he is a Muslim but instead present your gut feelings as evidence. You "having a feeling" that he is a Muslim who is ineligible to be president wont hold up in court.
Take your baseless HATE someplace else.
What would the circus have looked like if they really went nuts?
However, here's a few:
"...brought his honor to a knife fight with Obama and got gutted..."
(the usual aphorism is "brought a knife to a gun fight");
"...goes to a muslim country and says, 'American (sp) is no longer a christain (sp) nation, then goes to Cario (sp) and tells the world, America is one of the larger muslim countries..."
(the true quotes are: 1) "we have a very large Christian population -- we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values." and 2) “And one of the points I want to make is, is that if you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world. And so there’s got to be a better dialogue and a better understanding between the two peoples.”
I hesitate to throw your words back at you, Mayree, but yes, you'd have to be short of being an idiot...to accept what YOU said instead of what the President actually really said, which was to acknowledge that there ARE considerable numbers of Christians AND Muslims AND Jews (and a lot of Buddhists, Wiccans, Druids, and atheists, too) in the United States/America.
I also lost count of the misspellings... :) ...a common problem amongst "birthers" and other wingnuts.
The Kangaroo Court of the media and the blogisphere is not the place to judge the accusations.
To me this case is not about a 48 year old piece of paper but our Constitutional Right to petition the government for a redress of our grievances.
Obama's defense has been that the government has no constitutional obligation to hear the grievance and that ordinary people have no standing in the courts.
I make no claims one way or another in regards to his eligibility. I have read the arguments on both sides. The evidence requested by the plaintiffs is simple to produce. Their opposition is not an honorable position.
One would think that Obama would honor his oath to defend the constitution, face his accusers and make his case for the good of the country.
When ever I make a point on these blogs like this, I am called a sore loser, racist, kook, wing nut, birthers etc., because I do not come across as an Obama supporter. Oh well, the right to petition our government for a redress our grievances and to be heard and judged impartially is something I will give my life to defend.
God Bless you and your families.
If you have time, read the legal documents for the case Kerchner vs. Obama at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/. I think that this case has the best chance of being heard soon. Mario Puzo is a competent attorney and the case and the blog is not being run like a three ring money making circus like similar operations.
The government lawyers said in their recent motion to dismiss, that the government has no constitutional obligation to hear the grievances of the citizens that hit me like a punch in the gut.
The government lawyers have not raised the vague statements made by Hawaiian officials as proof that the charges are bogus. Mario Puzo addresses the Statements by the Hawaiian officials.
I believe that there is legitimate cause for the court to hear the case and review the documents.
Respectfully,
Ken
The law is clear, you can be a dual citizen at birth and be a natural born citizen. Thats as clear as it gets. This raises no legitimate cause to hear the case(especially since there's no law backing it) and to review the documents. The birthers need a shred of proof that he wasn't born in Hawaii. They have to yet to present it. Asking Obama to prove their negative isn't proof.
Second, your beef with the government arguing that there is no constitutional obligation in these cases isn't Obama's doing. It's that of the framers. Once the Office of President is filled --- which it has been --- only Congress has the power to do what birthers are attempting to do with these lawsuits.
I stand corrected. I should have said Mario Apuzzo Esq. my apologies.
You are right congress will have to action if it comes to that. Like I said I make no claims one way or another, I am not qualified to make that call.
We the people have the right to use the courts to obtain discovery and a fair ruling. I believe the courts can order congress to investigate or take action.
Going through the courts is how the people can keep the power of congress and the executive branch in check.
Best wishes,
Ken
If we lived in the same town I would bet you a cold drink (adult beverage if you prefer) and a burger on that. Do you live in Virginia Beach?
I am a patriot and contractor not a lawyer or a scholar. I play by the rules.
I believe that the court has to give the plaintiff some benefit of the doubt. The plaintiff needs to show that there is probable cause. The proof can only be released by Obama or by court order. If Mario Apuzzo had the proof then he would not need to request it in discovery. I believe this whole thing is a mess. I would like to see a court hear and rule on it.
Ken
No, it's because people who question Obama's citizenship *are* kooks and wingnuts. He has released a copy of the official Certification of Live Birth from the State of Hawaii, and the responsible state official has vouched for the validity of that document. This is the exact same type of document that I used to get my US Passport, it is *the* official, certified document required by the government as proof of citizenship. End of story.
NO ONE has their true original birth certificate in their own sweaty hands (or in a safe deposit box or safe), including that raving "birther" woman at the town hall meeting. They have a COPY that's been prepared by the county/district/borough Office of Records staff from the ORIGINAL which is kept in protected vault storage (hopefully safe unless the building actually burns down to a smoky cinder or is destroyed in a lava flow -- not likely on Oahu -- it's a good thing Obama wasn't born in Hilo on the Big Island).
That COPY is then stamped or embossed with the seal of the county/district/borough of birth and verified by the agent responsible for the storage of the document.
The only difference between an old-time handwritten COPY and the one that's on the Internet for Obama is that Obama's COPY is an updated-technology version. Some counties/districts/boroughs have modernized their technology....
Most people don't get an updated copy of their original birth certificate unless they lose the one they'd been holding onto for years, or, in Obama's case, a timely updated version is more readable than one that's traveled in a worn envelope through 40+ years and a number of localities in several countries.
It's bizarre that this is beyond the understanding of presumably educated "birther" people.
That, and the fact that if he actually was born in another country, he is not eligible to be president, as per the Constitution.
We are the ONLY wealthy, industrialized nation without universal health care... Does that make EVERY other wealthy, industrial western nation Socialist? NO... We aren't the only Democratic country in the world left.
Socialist = right wing buzz word. Pathetic.
Your facts regarding what the Constitution states are completely wrong... it does not actually define Natural Born Citizen. Do you belive that McCain is a Natural Born Citizen? The fact that he was born in Panama is not disputed.
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There are many black US citizens would make an excellent president. We happen to have a weak minded black man with a soiled past who is being blackmailed by his Demo-rats handlers.
if the state of hawaii says that is it why cant you except it
china in the 20s did not have a law which prohibited people born as citizens of other countries from becoming president
What a bunch of loonies! Including the GOP and the senators from ALABAMA especially!
Hey, the south needs to be their own country, using their confederate flag! Go, but don't come crying to us the next time you have an emergency. The south takes more in tax dollars than they pay in, BUT HAVE THE BIGGEST, MOST RACIST MOUTHS!
Take Utah, Alaska and Kansas with, don't let the door hit ya'!!!
I want to live in "the 38 (or so) United States of Americans, that manage to get along and respect each other"!
These same clowns that ruined our economy, never said a word to Bush about his lyin' $11 TRILLION DOLLAR WAR, and never said 'no' to Bush about anything, ever!
Medical Malpractice- CAP IT !
I am a citizen of the USA because I applied for it, took the test required, spent the requisite number of years living here and my application was accepted as a result of which I took an official oath in a court.
So far as I know, anyone born inthe USA even to parents who not citizens of this nation can choose to be a citizen of this country upon reaching the age of majority.
Obama's father not being a citizen of the USA has no bearing on Obama's status as a citizen. Any notion that parentage might affect the possibility of loyalty to the USA should dismiss most of the residents of North America since more than 90% are of immigrantt stock and as such are all untrustworthy to behave in the best interests of this or any other nation.
So far as I am concerned, running for president proves that you are mentally defective. Getting that job costs so much money and involves so much abuse that only someone mentally defective would actively seek such a position. (I realize that it is the path to many riches currently but has a better than average probability that someone may dislike so much as to wish to undertake to harm you. Something about that kind of exposure make me queasy.)
a Democrat is corrupt he at least shares his good fortune. A birth certificate is legal if it has the
raised stamp on it as does Pres. Obamaa does. I don't always agree with him but I am wise
enough to check my information.. .JAB
http://www.montaglaw.com/blog/2009/07/19/obama-...
http://yannone.blogspot.com/2009/07/usurper-upd...
http://www.yannone.org/BlogDocs/KerchnerAdverto...
The problem is that there is no clear line of reasoning that Hussein Sr. or his mother ever obtained US citizenship, because they have for a long time held citizenship in Indonesia which means they relinquish their US citizenship - as they can't be in two places at once.
You can't legally be a resident of Indonesia overseas and still be a US citizen, and you can't be "born" naturally while you are still an Indonesian citizen.
Right there, Judges try to make this law murky or undefined but there are countless articles which prove the Obama's were not US citizens in that they were still overseas.
And clearly reflected in the law, they are not natural born, if in fact this is all correct then Obama himself being born outside the USA was NEVER a natural citizen which is a concern to every person or should be.
He can not produce his certified sealed copy certificate, which should concern everyone. He produces a print out "copy" of something and that will never fit the legal definition.
THE REPUBLICAN SENATOR OF HAWAII HAS CONFIRMED HIS BIRTH!
THE SUPREME COURT RULED HIM AN AMERICAN CITIZEN IN DECEMBER 2008!
THE STATE OF HAWAII CONFIRMED HIS BIRTH!
2 BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENTS WERE FOUND IN 2 DIFFERENT NEWSPAPERS FOR AUGUST 4TH, 1961. EFFING MORON!
STUPID, STUPID, IGNORAMUS'. NO MATTER HOW MUCH EVIDENCE YOU HAVE YOU'LL NEVER BELIEVE IT. STUPID, STUPID, UNEDUCATED MORONS!
The problem is that there is no clear line of reasoning that Hussein Sr. or his mother ever obtained US citizenship, because they have for a long time held citizenship in Indonesia which means they relinquish their US citizenship - as they can't be in two places at once.
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Show proof , some documentation that Hussein Jr. or his mother renounced their U.S. citizenship. If you want to make hay with this nonsense show us the documentation that they officially or even unofficially became Indonesian citizens.
Obama senior was never a citizen of Indonesia, you're confusing him with Obama's step-father. When Obama was born, neither of his parents had ever been to Kenya. In fact, Anne Dunham had never left the country.
As the article states, the law says that you cannot relinquish your citizenship unless you commit treason or formally renounce it, something Obama could not do when he was a child.
Since you don't even know the basic facts of the situation, it's no surprise that you believe this silly theory. This is what happens when you base your theory on someone's blog.
Have you seen Barbara Bush's maternal grandpa's driver's license? I thought not.
actually as governor he has tried to get a fake birth certificate issued. so far the state has refused.
http://www.yannone.org/BlogDocs/KerchnerAdverto...
Again, this is all so very simple. Release the certified copy or photos of the documents.
Then for the most part everyone will drop it. But see, and the military has looked at this extensively, he can NOT.
Because they sealed up the records.
AND HE MAY NOT ACTUALLY BE A US CITIZEN.....WHICH HAS THE MILITARY CONCERNED AS IT SHOULD CONCERN EVERYONE ELSE...
Because that would mean he's in charge of the country, and possibly taking his orders from some other communist nation. And IF YOU WOULD LOOK AROUND YOU, that ought to concern you as well, there's nothing wrong with asking valid questions for our own sakes.....
http://yannone.blogspot.com/2009/07/removal-of-...
Why would you want this man to get away with a crime if he has ill intentions to enslave everyone including yourself to communism?
Don't you think that everyone deserves to see where he comes from and if he's qualified?
And if you want anyone to even entertain your ideas, ADDRESS THE REBUTTALS. Your political comments just identify you as someone who detests Obama, and then fits the 'facts' around that. His birthplace is settled to anyone NOT suffering from psychosis.
HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII. GET OVER IT.
SUPREME COURT 2008 RULED AMERICAN
REPUBLICAN SENATOR IN HAWAII CONFIRMED BIRTH
STATE OF HAWAII CONFIRMED BIRTH
2 BIRTH NOTICES IN 2 DIFFERENCE NEWSPAPERS CONFIRMED AUG 4 1961
YOU DON'T CALL THIS EVIDENCE? MORONS!
The Certificate of Live Birth Hawaii issued (signed and sealed, as it is) is legally admissible in all jurisdictions as evidence of one's birth and citizenship.
Bottom line: Obama's an American, he won, and all you racist morons who think you're the only ones qualified to define what being an American is need to just get over it.
Really? I that is a silly claim. If they show the "long form" all you have to do is claim that the "long form" is forged also. It will NEVER end because YOU refuse to accept the results of the election.
Actually, it STATES on the certificate that "This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding." That very certificate can be used to obtain a US Passport, get a business license, gun permit, etc. It would be accepted in an application for a FEDERAL SECURITY CLEARANCE. Not a picture of the original on file. Not some mysterious "long form." THAT CERTIFICATE.
Man, these people are unhinged. "Obama Panic Disorder" is what I call it.
When [Hawaii] Becomes Kenya or Indonesia...Please
The People that push this Nonsense are Hateful, Hate Filled, Bitter & Yes Racist People...
Not wanting a Bi-Racial Man [Black-White Heritage] they Perceive Only as a [Black Man]
They will Do Anything to get Rid Of Him and even Pray for his [Death]
As a So Called Minister is doing Now !!!
The Obvious and Most Telling of all, throughout this [Nonsense]
This Mad Woman saying "I want My Country Back and I don't want this Flag to Change"
Translation: I Only want a White Person, as My President, No Matter how Incompetent, I want a White Person as My President. Changing The Flag, Jeez Louise. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage G.Gordon Liddy & Dennis Praeger are the Ring Leaders.
They actually want some form of Chaos & Turmoil and they have a Devout-Avid-Rabid, Hate-Fear Mongering Audience, they Feed & Fuel, Constantly.
Trust Me.
Look at the State's and their Demographics, South, Mid-West and Mountainous Regions of the USA and the 2008 Electoral Map of where this is getting Traction.
The Media Calls it Fringe Group, that's a Tame-Timid Title for it..
These Hate Groups and On Air Hate Mongers, Manufactured Tim McVeigh-Brian Nichols and the So Called [Malitia] when we have the US National Guard..
These People are Extremely Dangerous.
Hate Mongering [Nuts]
I was present at my birth but I am unable to describe the room or those who attended, nor do I remember if the doctor slapped me. My mother assured me that I was there and the city supplied with a certfied copy stating that someone with the name I currently use was born to a person who used my mother's name, or the one she used while in my presence. A man whose name matches the name the person I was told was my father and which person used in my presence as his name was asserted to be the father of the baby whose name I am currently using.
Since I am nearly 60 years old I am unable to locate any living persons who attended the birth that I believe is the one I was involved with as a newly born child.
Even more interesting is the notion that America as I knew it inthe early 1960s when I came here held no sane adults who believed that any African American child had any chance of becoming president in the next 100 years. Most did not believe that any civl rights legislation would ever pass muster in Congress. The amount of hope and planning needed in 1961 to set up anyone to become president inthe next 50 years was insanely massive. Let alone to set up a dark skinned child newly born on the path to the presidency.
One of the things I kept hearing school was that anyone can grow up to be president. In the past 47 years since I came to the USA 10 people have managed it, well one already was persident when I arrived. The probability of anyone becoming president, a job that requires several hundred million dollars and years of effort, is nearly insurmountable. Starting a conspiracy of that sort in 1961 with a black child as its intended beneficiary would never have been begun.
Notsettledyet is just religious about this or is simply insane. Such hubris is downright stupid.
There is a reason why the KKK wore white hoods. What is terrible is that there are actually elected officials standing behind a false claim to gain votes.
Would they put forth a bill to retract womans rights if enough "bloggers" started demanding it, my guess is yes they would.
The Republicans are quickly turning into a joke with no real beliefs or standards.
[You Dummy]
Just say, I Can't Stand that I have a Afro American as President Of The USA..
Because this Birth Certificate Argument is Borderline [Bull-Spit] OK
I Bet, Most of You Nuts, don't even Possess an Original Birth Cerificate, Social Security Number or U.S. Pass Port.
Again, Call Me...
When [Hawaii] Becomes Kenya or Indonesia...Please
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Like the people who challenged McCain’s citizenship in 2008 and 2000, or the people who challenged Dick Cheney’s right to run for vice president because he, like George W. Bush, resided in Texas, “birther” plaintiffs have failed again and again to get their cases heard because they lack standing.
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“We monitored the progress of these lawsuits against the Obama campaign,” said Trevor Potter, a Washington attorney who served as general counsel to the 2008 and 2000 McCain presidential campaigns. “The McCain campaign faced a series of lawsuits like this, too, alleging that he could not be president because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. Both campaigns took the position that these plaintiffs lacked standing.”
Can you prove that Hawaii is a state? Without referring me to some Liberal Media web site like Rand McNally (a Geroge Soros front).
Well if you go to Wikipedia or even go to their state government website, you will cleary understand that Hawaii is a state. It was admitted to the Union on August 21, 1959, according to the Hawaii Admissions Act, which was passed by both the senate and house and was signed by President Eisenhower.
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Held up to the light of day, you are as goofy as it gets, and a real good example of what extremism produces. I pray that firearms are being kept from your person, and that someone is monitoring your medication.
This is a JOKE.
Today if someone is born in a foreign country with a mother who is an American citizen and a father who is not, they are a citizen from birth by law it the mother has resided in the US for a total of ten years, two of which were after her fourteenth birthday. When Obama was born, the law was the same except it required five years residence after attaining the age of fourteen. Unfortunately, Ann Dunham was only eighteen when she gave birth to her son so she hadn't resided anywhere for five years after turning fourteen. There is, however, a special provision of the law, both then and now, for children "born out of wedlock". Since the president's parents marriage was not legal under Hawaiian law, it is possible this provision would apply to him. So even if the crazies are right and he was born in Kenya, he may still be a "natural born citizen".
Such nonsense! FDR was English, so he went to war against Germans, Italians and Japanese!
The Slave Blood Theory.
Slavery has Long Ended...
Sorry, Bad History
White Enslaving Whites has been around far longer than White-African Slavery [Sorry]
I'm going to Dispel the Slave Blood Myth, right [Now]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_medieva...
Chaos and invasion made the taking of slaves habitual throughout Europe in the early Middle Ages. St. Patrick, himself captured and sold as a slave, protested an attack that enslaved newly baptized Christians in his Letter to the Soldiers of Coroticus .
In the Viking era starting c. 793, the Norse raiders often captured and enslaved peoples they encountered. In the Nordic countries the slaves were called Thralls (Old Norse: Þræll).
Germanic laws provided for the enslavement of criminals, as when the Visigothic Code prescribed enslavement both for those who could not pay the financial penalty for their crime , and for those who were to be delivered up as slaves to their victims, often with their property.
In Carolingian Europe approximately 20% of the entire population consisted of slaves.
Note: Some people gave themselves to powerful landowners in order to receive protection or food; one Anglo-Saxon will has a land-owner freeing those slaves who had "given her their heads for food." Anglo-Saxons continued and expanded their slave system, sometimes in league with Norse traders.
Big Note: About 10% of England’s Population Entered in the Domesday Book in 1086 were [Slaves]
Chattel slavery of English Christians was discontinued after 1066, when William of Normandy conquered England.
The slave trade in England was abolished in 1102.
The restoration of order as the early Middle Ages passed was accompanied by the transmutation of this state into serfdom, and after the earlier portions, slaves were seldom of the same country as their owner in Western Europe.
Read and Grow...
Read and Grow...
Just say, I Can't Stand that I have a Afro American as President Of The USA..
Because this Birth Certificate Argument is Borderline [Bull-Spit] OK
I Bet, Most of these Nuts, Don't even Possess an Original Birth Certificate, Social Security Number or U.S. Pass Port.
Again, Call Me...
When [Hawaii] Becomes Kenya or Indonesia...Please
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Note: I Requested My SC Original Birth Certificate and the State sent me a Miniature Copy of My Birth-Certificate...
Not The Original !
That Crazy Lady should be on Fox News, Supporting her claim of having her Original Birth Certificate and they'll find out whether or [Not] she was telling the [Truth] in that regard.
The Only Large Birth Certificates would be given, would be to the Parents and most Parents Lose these over time...
I said Most
But that Crazed Woman should be put to the [Task] of [Proving] she Possessed her Original Birth Certificate.
For all any one of us know, that piece of paper in plastic was just a [Piece of Paper in Plastic]
A Big Show, for all we know ?
Believe it or not, the military is concerned because Obama he may have loyalties to outright communist interests or Banking families instead of America.
Here's how one of your OWN PEOPLE describes it, again we should behave as Americans concerned about the nation.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/7/23/757034/...
Let's forget all the petty meaningless he said she said bullshit.
The left/right paradigm is meaningless. The law is clear. Either Obama is a US citizen with loyalties to that, or he's not.
The DMV records printout without any gold seal, with nothing official attached is definitely not it as it doesn't prove where he was born.
We DON'T know where he was born. I'm not saying he was born in Hawaii, Indonesia or Afghanistan. What I am saying is we do not know where...
They could have settled it ages ago by releasing records and showing photos. That's it. That's all it took. They didn't and now it's a fiasco.
He could be a NON US citizen this is what countless constitutionalists are saying & RP supporters who don't buy into the two party mafia war.
if he's a NON US Citizen he could be taking orders from "other" outside forces, not America, which should be of top concern to everybody. Period.
We need to know why obama has 16 social security numbers & need to know he's USA.
.....And that's no proof of anything in the end so we don't know who he is which isn't good
The document Obama presented does have a seal.
That document is proof, so says the Republican Governor of Hawaii and the director of the Department of Health.
Would 2 birth announcements in 2 different newspapers at the time work for you? Not enough proof, I suppose.
Amazing to me...this daftness and the fact that it's also coming from the mainstream now.
See how this works?
If he passed the most stringent national security and personal identity check in the nation, in order to be granted the highest national security level in the nation, don't you think that during that lengthy process, somebody would have checked and authenticated his birth certificate, identity through finger printing, and every document they could find? Stop being such idiots, you make America look really stupid and ignorant!
Just for being so stupid, you should get your citizenship revoked (if you are even a citizen of this country, which I doubt)Get a life!
The original documents regarding a Live Birth or a Death are always kept on record at the County Registrar's office. The records themselves NEVER leave the registrar's office, some are on computer only.
What people order and see is a "CERTIFICATION of a LIVE BIRTH" or a "BIRTH CERTIFICATE" which merely states that a "Birth has occurred and is on record with the County Registrars Office." The County is merely CERTIFYING that a Live Birth is on Record!!!!!
These Birthers need to get a life, oh, they don't have one... sorry. Forgot. Trust me, nobody who actually works at a County Registrar's office believes this crap because they know better.
Panama WAS A STATE in 1939. It was admitted into the union on April 1st 1936.
FDR (a dumbocrat!) was a racist and refused to issue them a star in the flag.
The fact that you cant find any 49 star flags is proof!
Have you talked to anyone in the HRC campaign about this ?
I'm betting we'd find they looked into the issue as well, and similarly rejected it
The parents could be legal residents of this country and give birth to a child on U.S. soil--that child is automatically a natual born U.S. citizen.
You DEMON crats voted into the highest office in the land a shape shifing interdemensional entity.
And you call US kooky!
This is a bunch of hooey from a few people who really hate the idea that a brilliant black man is in the White House. A whole lot more Americans are really glad that he's there in these times of trouble. That's why we put him there and that's why we have his back.
To the birthers:
Go home. Drink your moonshine. Tell yourselves that you're better than blacks because that's the only way that you can feel like you have any power in the world. Thank goodness that your numbers dwindle, but it would be a blessing to the country if you could all just get over yourselves. Slavery is over as is Jim Crow and America just isn't going to tolerate your ****.
I think the evidence in the newspapers is good enough. But why spend millions of dollars when you can just release your (medical records, school records, birth certificate, etc) records for free?
Authors of the US Constitution
A man named Gouverneur Morris of Pennsylvania was in charge of the committee to draft the final copy of the Constitution. Other men who had much to do with writing the Constitution included John Dickinson, Gouverneur Morris, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Thomas Paine, Edmund Randolph, James Madison, Roger Sherman, James Wilson, and George Wythe. Morris was given the task of putting all the convention's resolutions and decisions into polished form. Morris actually "wrote" the Constitution. The original copy of the document is preserved in the National Archives Building in Washington, D.C.
Jacob Shallus who, at the time, was assistant clerk of the Pennsylvania State Assembly, and whose office was in the same building in which the Convention was held, was given the task of engrossing the Constitution prior to its being signed.
Here is more input from others:
* The U.S. Constitution is the work of several men, directly and indirectly. The three most notable persons whose work influenced the Constitution but who were not involved in its writing are Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and Thomas Paine. The group of men involved in the writing of the Constitution are generally referred to as the "framers".
* No single individual wrote it. Twelve of the thirteen states sent delegates to the Constitutional Convention to revise the Articles of Confederation and the entire convention worked on it. After the political questions were hashed out a 'committee of style' was formed to put the ideas into formal words. It is generally accepted that Gouverneur Morris created most of the actual wording included in the final draft from the Committee of Style.
* Primary Author: James Madison (Drafted the Virginia Plan)
* The original copy of the document is preserved in the National Archives Building in Washington, D.C.
These are the same people that are trying to stop the wars and force us all to have health care.!!!!
Sara Palin/Joe the Plumber 2012
Another misinformed comment. There is no such "test". All that was required was that a national party - the Democratic one - to nominate him officially. No one accepted any responsibility for validating his eligibility. NO ONE!
Since HuffPostians are going to fill the comments with content-free jokes and lies, it would be great if others could from time to time correct their lies using my topic page about this issue.
Once more --
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“It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”
Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”
And, I called Okubo after Weigel printed that quote above, and she refused to confirm the impression Weigel was trying to give.
There is no doubt that Okubo said just what Weigel quoted her as saying. People born outside the country simply do not get COLBs saying that they were born in Honolulu.
You then concocted your own trumped-up version of what Weigel said. It was a lie, and of course Okubo refused to confirm it.
You're not fooling anyone with this BS, you know!
http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.ht...
Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
In The Law of Nations there are no definitions of native born or naturalized. These terms do not appear anywhere in "The Law of Nations" (1758) or appear in Vattel's work on the subject. Additionally, Vattel's work pertain's to the laws of Great Britain circa 1800. Therefore, not relevant to U.S. law.
My point below is that if the authors of the Constitution had defined the requirements for "natural born citizen" as strict as the birthers claim, then no one would have met the requirements for the Presidency. Given that the first eight people to be sworn in as President belies the birther's claimed definition of natural born citizen.
It appears that the birthers are just making up stuff and the suckers take it as truth without checking out the source documents, history or laws. None of the arguments he birthers have made have any substance. It's all smoke and delusions created by the deceitful and gullible.
Enjoy your fantasy.
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This is not a racist issue -- the same people would be bringing these cases if McCain were pres. This is about clarification of the law. The president has provided no evidence that he meets the constitutional requirements for president. McCain's lawyer is mistaken is saying there is no evidence to the contrary -- Obamas mother gave a sworn affidavit that she witnessed his birth in Kenya! Also, birth announcements are not sufficient proof to even play little league softball or attend public school, hold a job, etc. Long form BC would be a good start for evidence, although only SCOTUS can resolve the ambiguity of "natural born" as it applies to those born to at least 1 foreign national. Do some research. And the Keyes case will probably be heard on the merits in California soon... so thats why there's been a sudden media blitz to try to fend off the growing outrage.
For those of you who (scared or stupid I assume) who so readily dismiss the issue without researching, I quote Shakespeare: "This above all: to thine own self be true, And it must follow, as the night the day, Thou canst not then be false to any man"
Research the facts and find out for yourself -- its not untrue just because you hope or want it to be...
-CH
It sounds like you are the one that needs to research the facts.
Oh and brainiac...he traveled from the US to Pakistan. It was a trip with a college friend. He was only in Indonesia for four years and left there at the age of 6.
Well if Obama's mother was there I bet she did witness her son's birth...but since his mother has never been to Kenya, my bet is that she did not witness it.,..because he was not born there. Moron...I will type slow....if Obama's mother had never been to Kenya..chances are HE WAS NOT BORN THERE!...sheesh.
Think about this sentence you wrote, Mr. "H." If you cannot see how stupid it is, you should ask your handlers to put you back into your straitjacket.
I would bet the life of my mother that this idiot would vote for Jindal for Pres if he was running against ANY Democrat, even a southern one who wears a crucifix and has an American flag tattooed on his delts.
I have yet to see even one of your ilk offer the remotest "proof" that President Obama was not born in the United States.
Here's your chance.....I suggest you take it or STFU.
Re Born in HI: No original BC -- experts have testified in court, however that the COLB online is a forgery.
Obamas Grandma testifies she witnessed his birth in Kenya -- sworn affidavit -- circumstantial, but very compelling.
Not only is the real EVIDENCE to prove this issue in Obama's hands, but he refuses to show it! What does that tell you?
Gov of HI says the have A bc on file, but refuse to tell us what it says or show it. It may say place of birth Timbuktu for all we know!
The issue is clearly in doubt, one way or the other. Those who believe blindly or ignore the constitional law of our nation, are the truly dangerous ones.
This case has NEVER been heard on the merits in a US court of law, but there is a good chance that will happen soon in CA -- then, everyone can present their evidence and the Judge will likely subpoena the release of the original bc for scrutiny, then we can at least get that little elusive piece of info resolved.
-CH
-CH
Obama can put the whole thing to rest by getting a small group of citizenship believers and non-believers and document experts together to go over the document. In the meanwhile, his refusal gives the appearance that he has something to hide.
If you think the world was created in 7 days, less then 10k years ago, you are a moron.
If you think that the world is flat, you are a moron.
If you think that Elvis is alive, you are a moron.
If you think that everyone in Hawaii, everyone in Chicago, everyone in the government, everyone in McCain's campaign, everyone in Clinton's campaign, and everyone in the previous administration including George Bush is lying to protect Obama, YOU ARE A MORON.
It doesn't get more simple then this.
Reread the full statement for eligibility.
No person except a natural born Citizen, OR A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES, AT THE TIME OF THE ADOPTION OF THIS CONSTITUTION, shall be eligible to the Office of President;
No fair leaving out the REST of the statement beyond the requirement of the NBC portion. That qualifies your so-called "ineligibles". Leaving out the whole statement always seems to be the way to obfuscate the truth to the poor ignorant. Next time, all the definition please.
-CH
That seems most likely because the people who believe such stuff are already resistant to reason and evidence. More reason, more evidence, more certification by trusted authorities can not dislodge firmly held beliefs anchored on the rock of irrationality
Barry's most damaging secret may not be about citizenship or natural born status at all. There are potentially worse revelations for him than not being born where he claims. We don't know anything about Obama's past beyond what he's told us in his "memoir", and he clearly has been proactive in keeping his birth, medical, and school records under wraps. You don't do so without a reason. And the breach of his passport records by an underling of John Brennan (an Obama security adviser) should be suspicious to everyone.
He acts like a man hiding something.
Why don't you write an article on the birth/vital records issuance practices in Hawaii, now and in the 60's, what a "Certification" of Live Birth is, when the electronic form was first put into use, the number of root documents it could potentially represent, the birth record amendment policies and procedures and how an amendment might reflect on what is displayed on a current "Certification" of Live Birth.
If you're going to be content to simply ridicule people for pursuing the issue, shouldn't you be ridiculing Obama as well for taking it seriously enough to pay Perkins Coie and other firms to battle these lawsuits? If Barry thought it was all as big a joke as you do, I'd imagine he'd release the sought after records and make light of it. So, to be consistent you should be calling Barry a "birther" too. He obviously takes the matter as seriously as those "crazies" you mock.
And, I'm not a "lazy old white man". lol. Sorry to upend your worldview.
You're absolutely right. He's a Martian.
I said so, it's true.
Nice argument though, if we make fun of you idiots for filing the lawsuits that somehow Obama is equally culpable for fighting your pointless lawsuits? So by your logic since the lawsuits are baseless Obama should be obligated to accede to your demands?
yeah that makes sense. Unless you are sane.
Bullcrap. The supposed affidavit was by Obama's Step-Grandmother not his mother and when she said she witnessed the birth in Kenya it was because there was a mistranslation... the family during the affidavit corrected the record several times, but, of course, that's not the part the birthers latch on to... because you are idiots.
The State Department issued Obama a passport identifying him as a United States Citizen. And that was well before he was President so don't cop out on that.
SCOTUS has better things to do than to listen to Alan Keyes, who they will likely rule lacks standing in his lawsuit as well.
Ask the "President". He's the one, perhaps unbeknownst to most out there, who is spending, reportedly around at least a million dollar figure to high powered attorneys to keep hidden ALL of his records of his history - birth, educational, medical, writings, etc. - from the deserving public. He has sealed EVERYTHING. As far as a waste of money - he himself appears to be doing the wasting when he could get a long form informative birth certificate for, what, $20??? And this is the advertised "TRANSPARENCY" of all things Obama!! There appears to be boiling frogs everywhere out there these days.
Even assuming the birfoon lies are true, why shouldn't he spend the money? Does being POTUS mean he should be subject to every whim of every racist buffoon who demands that Obama prove his suitability to their personal satisfaction?
THE STATE OF HAWAII, EVEN THEIR REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR HAS VERIFIED THE AUTHENTICITY OF HIS LIVE BIRTH CERTIFICATE. Of course, Pam at atlasshrugs knows better.
You're pathetic.
If I tell you that Obama is a martian, would that be given the same credence reality?
Translation: I can't believe this Biracial man of African-Caucasian Descent is My [President]
I Will do all I can to keep up this Ridiculous Theory along with other Hate Filled, Bitter and Hateful [Whites]
Pre-Campaign [2012] is in Effect
Motto-Credo: "Whites Only In the White House"
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You Low Life Sea Slug !!
So what do you have now? You have 25% of Americans are German. Many at highest levels in state or country. This is just a fact. But you have to recognize the 'White Supremecy', love hitler and adore him still in fact growing......................is stemming from this group of racist Americans. This group is part of who is running washington on the republican side, in fact ......recent talk of the 'Family' on "C" Street...........adores hitler and supports his ideals. Now is the time to see what 'Lazy old fat cat White Men" did to society". They destroyed America, vote by vote. Look at Limbaugh, Bohner, Bachmann, ...Liddy, Rove. Irish and British, not your country anymore. Sad, sad, sad thing for America becoming the New Germany.
"Know your American History before you make your self look so stupid." Indeed.
That he won't show it, I think, reveals much about the man.
It is a strategy right out of "Rules for Radicals", to inflame conspiracy theory and divide your opponents. He cares little or not at all for bringing people together, and sees political gain in division. He is the most partisan President in modern times.
I blame Obama for the "birthers".
http://books.google.com/books?id=HRCHJp-V0QUC&p...
I don't know about you, but I've lost a LOT of papers and documents since I've been in high school, and I'm a FEMALE. Teenage males tend to be a bit more careless.
But it may have been in his Grandmother's care, because when he was a teenager, he lived with her. So it is possible it's floating around in a box that might have been packed away since her passing, OR she may have misplaced and lost it many years ago.
As President of the United States, he really does have more important things to do right now other than searching around for an old paper birth certificate THAT WOULDN'T SATISFY THE SKEPTICS ANYWAY!
That was 30+ years ago.
See my comment below.
And tell me, if you have your original copy just where do you get a copy from? All we get are copies.
Your issue that he is less forth coming is ludicrist. He's had to bend over backward to prove something that was certified by scores of Hawaiian officials, including the Governor of Hawaii (of the opposition party).
He was vetted by the Secret Service. He was granted classified to top clearance first as a Senator, then a President so he was vetted by the Dept. of Defense. Hawaii has certified him.
There is nothing that can be done at this point to convince you, not because he hasn't amply proven he's a citizen but because your hatred of him demands that you support any effort to depose him.
Have a group of legal document examiner review his long form birth certificate on file in Hawaii...that's all I ask....The one that he sealed aftering a day of stopping his race to visit his ill grandma. Convenient...
News Release
LINDA LINGLE
GOVERNOR
CHIYOME LEINAALA FUKINO M.D.
DIRECTOR
Phone: (808) 586-4410
Fax: (808) 586-4444
For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008 08-93
STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO
"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
"No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai'i.”
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For more information, contact:
Janice Okubo
Communications Office
Phone: (808) 586-4442
The reason the official birth certificate it is prohibited to be release to others because Obama sealed it. It is on him unless he is suited in court to release it.
There is no point arguing something neither party can proof or disprove if the question is not the COLB or other online copies. If there is a question of the facts..you check the original facts not a copy.
I'm waiting for you people to stop playing immature games behind the presidential election to be real men that the public can respect.
I say we all stand up and pledge allegiance to this great nation of ours!
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND, AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
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Obama -- and NUMEROUS others -- have done exactly that. In Hawai'i you pay your $5 and get a Certified Copy of a "Certification of Live Birth" in which the recorder of vital statistics (or whatever his/her title is in Hawai'i) certifies that there is a Birth Certificate on file documenting the birth of the person listed on the date and place listed. You cannot get a copy of the ACTUAL birth certificate. Several officials in Honolulu have stated (maybe under oath?) that they have examined President Obama's actual birth certificate, that it is authentic and that ther Certification of Live Birth is legitimate and accurate.
What more do people want??? It seems some people will not be convinced unless Pres. Obama can come up with a time machine so they can to go back in time and actually observe Baby Boy Obama emerging from his mother's vagina.
This madness needs to stop.
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and
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
News Release
LINDA LINGLE
GOVERNOR
CHIYOME LEINAALA FUKINO M.D.
DIRECTOR
Phone: (808) 586-4410
Fax: (808) 586-4444
For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008 08-93
STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO
"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
"No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai'i.”
###
For more information, contact:
Janice Okubo
Communications Office
Phone: (808) 586-4442
What it does NOT say is Obama's place of birth is verified. What hospital? What attending physician? The long form will have that.
Additionally Hawaii is a (surprise!) a chain of islands. Births (especially as far back as 1961) could be delayed in being reported.
So O'Dumbo could have been born in Kenya as his Grandmother says and momma gets him to Hawaii some time later & 'reports' the birth. Hawaii (at that time & perhaps still) would issue the COLB on the basis of the 'report'. No way to verify.
Same with the paper - they accept notices from anyone. So 'legitimizing' BHO sr.'s bastard son would be easy enough.
What?
Karl Rove too busy?
The Republican Governor of Hawaii has reviewed the birth documents and has flatly said they are accurate and true. The hospital administrator concurs. The newspapers ran birth announcement in 1961.
How could so many people (andy why would they) be in on such a ridiculous conspiracy.
And of course, we have Alan Keyes, who is as crazy as a loon, running the show.
But given how stupid they are, facts aren't going to convince them of anything. They believe every unconfirmed, unsubstantiated rumor and lie (like the $800K figure that Obama supposedly spent on legal fees to keep his true identity a secret) without having one single shred of evidence to support their cause. Not one piece of evidence to support their silly fantasy. Put up or shut up, birthers. Really. Don't you realize how bat shit insane you appear to the rest of us?
Try, just for a second, to be rational about this little theory of yours.
It's kind of sad really, watching adults act like children who cannot accept reality.
But one thing is for sure, it's says so much more about them than it does about Obama any day of the week.
The birthers are like cult members now. No amount of sunshine is going to penetrate their dark, locked minds. They have come to their conclusions first, and now, however pathetic, they are trying to fit what they believe are facts around the conclusion.
But it's one giant, epic FAIL.
And the more they stay at it, the crazier they become. They get more emboldened as the evidence doesn't point in their favor.
The evidence has been put up! You Obots just engage in massive deflection of the issue rather than deal with the actual forensic evidence. Here it is again:
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For those of you who think it's about race, pull your heads out of your -----s. I can't stand Obama and what he represents ideologically, but I couldn't care less about his race. If this is about race, why did the left make the same challenges about McCain?
For what it's worth it even if I had ironclad proof of his Kenyan birth, I'd drop it in the the shredder faster than you could say "don't just stand there... nationalize something." Idiot Americans elected the guy, so we live with him. You could run Fidel Castro for President and he'd probably get 30% of the vote even though he's Cuban AND a communist. The idea of constitutional eligibility is lost on these people entirely. They like him and that's all that counts.
First Congress, Session II, March 26, 1790 Approved.
" And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens; Provided that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose FATHERS have never been resident in the United States; "
"Resident" in this usage refers to someone who was in the process of naturalization. (becoming a citizen.)
Apparently the founders were Paternalists, believing that citizenship could only be conveyed by the father's lineage.
Since Obama's Father was in the process of Naturalizing to become an American Citizen, everything is okay, right ?
What's that you say ? He wasn't considered a resident under this Act of congress ? Well then, what is his son's citizenship status ?
I don't know either.
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND, AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
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I'm glad to see you aren't such a slave to "reality" or "facts" or pesky things like that.
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND, AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
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HE WAS BORN IN ILLINOIS - and I have the certificate to prove it. He is fairer skinned than Obama, and without his hair, might ( MIGHT) pass for white. Will you be happy then?? But the mother (me) IS BLACK! WHUT YOU GONNA DO? WHAT YOU GONNA DO??
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It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND, AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
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Why is there different standards of transparency?
Certification of Live Birth is not the original. The original long form of birth certificate is wants being requested.
It is not a copy that's being requested. The sealed orignal is what is being asked for. It isn't good enough to say there is a person listed on the date and place listed by one official who have seen it personally. The issue warrants a group of experts to investigate this. This isn't a you and me. This is to verify the qualification for the most powerful position of the world.
The only people on this planet that don't get this are the "birthers", get a grip and a clue. They are a bunch of ignorant racists!
Obviously the state of Hawaii DID release it or they DIDN'T release it. Which is it ?
Hawaii did what they always do under such circumstances -- they issued him a Certification of Live Birth, with a seal and a signature stamp.
The Obama campaign scanned it and posted it; and then invited members of the media to examine it in person at the Chicago campaign headquarters. FactCheck was the only organization to take them up on the offer, and sent representatives to look at it and photograph it.
That is where the online images come from.
Do your own research OBOTS!!! If you would read the articles it's real easy to Google for additional information. Your not really interested in the evidence are you? You just want to discredit the author sso you don't have to admit you were duped by the usurper in the White House. Even if the authors had no more than a kindergarten education the photographic evidence shown makes it clear the document is fraudulent. Now go back and read the damn evidence and quit worrying about the authors education. Do you have to know who figured out 2+2=4 before you will believe it? Jesus H.Dopefiend! Free your mind and try logic for a change. You people are pathetic!!! More evidence for you. Oh yeah, be sure to discredit the author (credentials listed)because he wants to remain anonymous due to OBOTS who went to his house and trashed his property. REJECT SELECTIVE LOGIC!!!
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They keep asking the same dumb questions and the answers are out there, but they don't want to listen.
They ask, why doesn't he release his COLB?
The truth is Hawaii state law forbids it. Obama doesn't own it, the state of Hawaii does. They issued him a copy, like most states do, and that's what he used to get his drivers license, passport, etc.
And the birthers cannot fit this fact into their warped conspiracy, so they just hurdle right on past it as if they didn't see or hear it.
Does. Not. Compute. Consult. Altas. Shrugged. For. Next. Talking. Point.
It's called mass delusion.
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
"Not a single GOP politician has come to Obama's defense. Why? Because they want the story to stay alive in hopes of undermining him. No other reason. They don't have any moral principles at all. And given they are the biggest sore loser crybabies on the planet, why would they try and help the man who helped sink their party to new lows?"
First point, because they don't know the truth, and wonder if he is in fact legitimate? I know I do.
Second point, Obama didn't do anything to them. He's an idiot that couldn't get elected dog catcher, and the proof is that only an idiot wouldn't realize it. The News/Entertainment media waged a massive propaganda war on the U.S. voters, and the stupid half of the country bought it. With Obama's KNOWN baggage, any reasonable person would have concluded that it was impossible for him to win the election. Only a fool would have tried.
Who could have known that the News/Entertainment media would have told so many lies and covered up so many ugly truths ? That his opponent INSISTED on being a Gentleman and treating him with undeserved respect ?
Yup, only a fool would have counted on all this.
Not that a Birther would believe the truth staring right in front of them.
Maybe bureaucrats screw up, but if there's a birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper, that convinces me that he was naturally born in Hawaii, and no one should be making a fuss!
I was born in Philadelphia, I've gotten a copy from Scranton, but I have no idea what the "original" looks like or where I'd find it. But the certified copy I got works fine!
old saying: "Never argue with a fool. People may not be able to tell the difference"
walk away from these "birther" idiots (racists).
Medical records (such as a "long form birth certificate") are private. Sealed. Protected under law.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHOW THEM TO ANYONE.
And they don't have much that the "short form" doesn't have. Get over yourself, you racist bigot.
We had to put up for 8 years with a president who didn't win either election fairly - rampant voter fraud in Florida in 2000 put him in office. By all counts, even the under the most conservative-friendly methods, Gore won Florida.
But we liberals shut up, let the voter fraud go unpunished. Don't give the appearance of sour grapes, we were told.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot, even though this President won so decisively, they are choosing to make up treasonous reasons not to acknowledge him as our Commander-in-Chief.
Hypocrites, bigots, racists... That is who the Birther Movement is.
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They ask, why doesn't he release his COLB?
The truth is Hawaii state law forbids it. Obama doesn't own it, the state of Hawaii does. They issued him a copy, like most states do, and that's what he used to get his drivers license, passport, etc."
Okay genius. If Hawaii state law forbids it, how did he release it ?
If they DON'T forbid it, why hasn't it been released ?
I
The information contained in the version he has has been verified, repeatedly by the director of Vital Statistics of the state of Hawaii.
So do you think he's covering for Obama too?
While everyday people and others in Congress are concerned about jobs, housing, health care, terrorism, etc. those neo-con bozos continue to waste our time and money by continuing on with their ridiculous rants.
Until the republican party starts to realize that Rush Limbaugh and company are not good role models it will continue to lose members like a water pail full of holes.
It isn't a left / right issue when someone potentially falsify his records. Both party should do what's right and force Obama to provide original proof.
"Maybe bureaucrats screw up, but if there's a birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper, that convinces me that he was naturally born in Hawaii, and no one should be making a fuss!
I was born in Philadelphia, I've gotten a copy from Scranton, but I have no idea what the "original" looks like or where I'd find it. But the certified copy I got works fine!"
The story I read says birth announcements are automatically generated by reports filed with the Dept. of Health. All this proves is that someone filed a birth report with the Dept. of Health.
You have a very "low" standard of proof required for you to believe something.
If you can game the system by getting one of the Several forms of paper work that Hawaii accepts, (including births aboard a ship in international waters.) then the Birth announcement in the local paper is automatically generated.
Then all they had to do was sit back and wait 40 years for him to get elected and force us all to have health care.
Why cant the libs see the obvious?
In 1961.
Really, let's some of the evidence that meets your high standards!
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
That is the statement I like best - if only I believed it.
Get thee to a doctor NOW. You all need to have the dose of your psych meds adjusted up immediately. The current dose is obvious ineffective and once again your suffering from delusions.
Oh wait, that means you'd have to see a doctor. do you have a healthcare plan? No? That's because you're wasting your time on this B.S. and not focusing on the REAL issues facing this country.
Face it, you don't like the person who WON the election. In fact, you don't the team he plays for. GET OVER IT!
You can't stomach the fact that he has the potential to get things done to FIX this country after the class clown and darth vader were "running" it for the last 8 years. so you resort to B.S. found on the internet as your "proof." Just remember when you toss s--t, it tends to hit right back in the face. You better have some handiwipes near by. You're gonna need 'em!
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
Do your own research OBOTS!!! If you would read the
articles it's real easy to Google for additional
information. Your not really interested in the evidence
are you? You just want to discredit the author so you
don't have to admit you were duped by the usurper in the
White House. Even if the authors had no more than a
kindergarten education the photographic evidence shown
makes it clear the document is fraudulent. Now go back
and read the damn evidence and quit worrying about the
authors education. Do you have to know who figured out
2+2=4 before you will believe it? Jesus H.Dopefiend!
Free your mind and try logic for a change. You people
are pathetic!!! More evidence for you. Oh yeah, be sure
to discredit the author (credentials listed)because he
wants to remain anonymous due to OBOTS who went to his
house and trashed his property. REJECT SELECTIVE
LOGIC!!!
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http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
I know you can't do that, of course, bcause they don't exist outside your fevered brain.
Give it up, loser. You have NO credibility - there is NO controversy, outside of the question of how many genuinely certified birther nuts there are running around, playing with their friends, making up reasons to hate.
Look, I am sympathetic to your pain. You're a terminally sore loser who refuses to admit that you had your ass kicked. You're a blatant racist who has had your ass kicked by a man of color. This must be a frustrating time for you.
But just because you are a racist loser who has had his ass kicked does not mean we're going for a ride with you to Crazy Town.
Why don't you take your teabags - and go away.
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I fear those words do not mean what you think they do.
Please tell us exactly WHAT forensic evidence you refer to and by which "liscensed (sic) professional document examiners"...Oh, and don't even try to rely on the anonymous crap written by the internet personality who calls himself "Polarik"
He showed what he needed to show. It has been validated and revalidated. Get over it.
Do your own research OBOTS!!! If you would read the
articles it's real easy to Google for additional
information. Your not really interested in the evidence
are you? You just want to discredit the author so you
don't have to admit you were duped by the usurper in the
White House. Even if the authors had no more than a
kindergarten education the photographic evidence shown
makes it clear the document is fraudulent. Now go back
and read the damn evidence and quit worrying about the
authors education. Do you have to know who figured out
2+2=4 before you will believe it? Jesus H.Dopefiend!
Free your mind and try logic for a change. You people
are pathetic!!! More evidence for you. Oh yeah, be sure
to discredit the author (credentials listed)because he
wants to remain anonymous due to OBOTS who went to his
house and trashed his property. REJECT SELECTIVE
LOGIC!!!
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
Everyone knows that if you want the truth about anything, the righ-wing freak show blogs is where to get it, right?
Cause Townhall and Atlas Shrugged only print verifiable facts, never propaganda, right?
Now that you've petty well proven that you have absolutely NO credibility, don't you have some naked pictures of Obama's mom that you want to post somewhere?
"Obama has the copy which is the document that was posted online. I don't have my original either, as my state issued me a copy too. No one gets their original.
The information contained in the version he has has been verified, repeatedly by the director of Vital Statistics of the state of Hawaii."
First point, they may not get their original, but they get all the INFORMATION that is on there original. I just got my Son's birth certificate (so he could get a drivers license) and it contains ALL the information that the original had. Hell, it may even be a copy of the original. It has the Doctor's Signature on it and all !
Second point. It has not. They simply claim he has one. They give no details as to what is on it. If the Man was foreign born but adopted, his original birth certificate would not be permitted to be seen. The NEW one which he would be issued would demonstrate that a man who was not his father was his father. I know this because this happened to me. I am adopted. My real father's name is NOT on my birth certificate.
I KNOW my official birth certificate will yield false information. Why is it unreasonable to scrutinize a high officials birth with these sorts of legal technicalities in mind ?
No it has not!! That's Obama's lapdog media lie.
Dr. Alvin Onaka, the Hawaii State Registrar and Head of the Office of Health Status Monitoring (OSHM), of which Vital Records is a part actually said ""Absolutely not. No one in our office confirmed it."
Again, more deflection from an OBOT. More refusal to examine the forensic evidence that Obama's COLB is a "sloppy forgery".
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
Even more laughable is your claim that "I do research for a living and I have looked at the forensic evidence". As an actual researcher with a job and publications and everything, I can absolutely spot a lunatic who couldn't get within fifty yards of a scientific journal without a battering ram. And you're one. Plus, the only forensic evidence you've seen is a low-res internet image of a scanned document - and based on that, you're claiming that litereally THOUSANDS of intelligent adults are part of a bizarre treasonous conspiracy to put someone in the white house who you don't like.
I actually do "HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS" that you're a blithering idiot.
Unfortunately, your intelligence will have no effect on this clown. Like waves hitting a rock.
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
I DARE the media to ask him (or Gibbs) this question.
No joke. I mean True, authentic pictures of Stanley Ann Dunham, Naked, and posing for the camera.
Don't believe me ? Got to google and type in Obamas Naughty Mama. You will find a link to a story that shows 3 naked pictures of the Presidents mother.
Compare them to OTHER pictures of Stanley Ann Dunham on the internet. Notice that the upper incisor that is askew in pictures of Stanley Ann Dunham is Also askew in the pictures of the Naked woman.
You can argue that the woman is a look alike, but a look alike with the same bad tooth ?
Not bloody likely.
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
Google "Obamas Naughty Mama."
"Will a native American Indian please stand up and run for President in 2012 and shut up these European American transplants who stole the country from them. Then maybe we will get to the bottom of who is really a natural born American citizen! It won't be anybody white for certain!"
I'm part Cherokee and part Blackfoot. My brother is married to a Comanche, and they have given me the Honorary Comanche name of Dawiegiwa. ( during a small ceremony )
Do I count ?
Maybe you should retry your facts with some common sense and tally the lies that our "POTUS" has endeavoured us with since 2007.
NAH! I actually made the time and took the effort to examine the forensic evidence with pictures included and came to my own conclusion rather than getting on the group think peer pressure bandwagon. You I see surrendered your mind to the group and try to use insults rather than logic to attempt a point by point refutation of the forensic evidence noted by qualified document examiners. How smart is that? Care to free your mind? here you go............It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
The Goverment of Hawaii has said the birth certificate is real. People who went to view it say it is real.
"For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form?"
For starters why do only idiots believe this claim? Do you even know what a 2007 and 2008 COLB form issued by a laserprinter in Hawaii look like?
# 158 Obama claims he wrote letter to US Treasurer to try to prevent the housing crisis; but he acted only AFTER he had caused it by blocking McCain's bill
# 157 Obama claims he is bipartisan ; Congressional Quarterly shows he voted with his party 97% of the time
# 156 Obama's dirty lie scares seniors: falsely claims McCain plans to cut $880 billion from Medicare: liar liar liar says Annenberg Factcheck
# 155 Obama lies about his mother turning to food stamps AND still sending him to top schools; his grandmother paid for education
# 154 Obama lied about being asked to wear dead soldier's bracelet: family had asked Obama to stop wearing it
# 153 Obama claimed all new spending is economic plan was self-funding; short by $3.5 Trillion says nonpartisan Tax Policy Center
# 152 Obama denied Admiral Mike Mullen had called Obama's Iraqi troop plan "dangerous"; Mullen made comment on Fox in July 2008 according to WaPo
# 151 Obama lied about Kissinger's views of diplomacy during first debate; Kissinger confirms the lie
# 150 During Debate 1 Obama denied voting to tax some people making $42000 a year: Annenburg Factcheck,org confirms Obama is lying
# 149 After Debate 1, Team Obama denied Obama ever said, "Iran's not a threat": Video proves Obama DID say "Iran is NOT a threat."
# 148 Obama claims under McCain employers would be taxed on the health care benefits it grants to workers; he's lying
# 147 Obama refers to an Iraqi surplus of $79 billion and says US should have it; its $60 billion and dwindling
# 146 Obama claims only 5% of Americans would see tax increase; he's grossly understating the number of people effected
# 145 Obama accuses McCain of lying about Biden being against clean coal; video proves Obama is lying
# 144 Obama claims McCain is opposed to abortion in cases of rape or incest; McCain has never held that position.
# 143 Obama accuses McCain of making an ad about Obama's vote to approve leaving babies who survive abortion procedures to die; McCain did not make the ad
# 142 Obama's ad on abortion claims BHO always supported medical care to protect infants; text of the Bill he supported shows he wanted babies born alive after abortions to be left to die
# 141 Obama's ad on abortion uses quotes by journalists who made negative comments about a McCain ad; but Obama is misleading because both journalists have been proven to be incorrect
# 140 Obama's lying when he says McCain's ad misstated BHO's Sex Ed for Kindergartners Bill: McCain's ad was accurate; here's the Sex Ed Bill text
# 139 Obama and Biden both truncate McCain's comments on the strength of the economy's fundamentals: deliberate distortion
# 138 Biden claims McCain tried to hurt our veterans by denying them educational benefits; NewsWeek confirms Biden is lying
# 137 Obama claims under McCain, Elderly would have had Social Security tied up in the Stock market; Newsweek cries BS
# 136 Obama claims his opponent will cut social security in half: NOT true; Obama guilty of scare-mongering aimed at Seniors
# 135 Biden claims McCain wouldn't help small borrowers hurt by housing crisis; this is untrue according to Newsweek
# 134 Obama claimed during the primary he had more Ex President Clinton Foreign Policy advisers than Sen. Clinton; she had 70% more
# 133 Obama claimed his father served in World War 2: his Kenyan-born father never served
# 132 Obama grossly misquoted Sen.Clinton about her vote on a banking bill; BHO used the false quote to show why voters don't trust Government
# 131 Obama claimed employers are more likely to be struck by lightning than be prosecuted for employing illegals; Gov stats prove he's lying
# 130 Pushing his Green agenda Obama claimed Japanese Car average 45 mpg fuel efficiency; its actually around 29 mph
# 129 Obama disparaged the President saying he hadn't met with auto makers until the sixth year of his presidency; GWB met automakers in April 2003
# 128 Obama disparaged the efficiency of our healthcare system saying the U.S. spends twice per capita than other countries: WaPo proves he's lying
# 127 Obama claims President Clinton's Labor Secretary said BHO's healthcare plan, "Does more than anybody to reduce costs"; Robert Reich did NOT say it
# 126 Obama falsely claimed he won the Michigan Democrat primary: he was not on the ballot
# 125 Obama's Spanish language ad lies about McCain's position on immigration; tries to stir race-war: lies debunked by ABC
# 124 Obama lies about his interference in Iraqi negotiations; but his campaign admits his treachery
# 123 Obama took credit for the economic stimulus package passed in Feb 08; BHO's colleagues on Capitol Hill cry BS
# 122 Obama claims Big Oil is ignoring 68 million acres of oil fields they could be drilling; most fields are being worked
# 121 Obama claims never questions his opponent's patriotism; asks of McCain "WHICH country first?": ABC says he's questioning McCain's patriotism
# 120 Obama claims personal savings rates are lowest since the Great Depression; currently higher than under President Clinton
# 119 Obama claims on this video that he doesn't switch positions; list of 31 flip flops show he's lying
# 118 In the Primaries Obama puffed his resume claiming he was a "Professor"; State Senate bio shows he was not ; he now agrees
# 117 When Obama ran for US Senate his web site claimed "5 years as a community organizer"; he admits it was only 3 years
# 116 Obama's attack ad in Michigan claims McCain doesn't support loan guarantees for auto-industry. McCain DOES support them
# 115 Obama says "if we're STILL in recession when he takes office...etc"; the economy is NOT in recession
# 114 Obama claims he signed up for Selective Service when he graduated from High School; records show he did NOT until he'd been at college 1 year
# 113 Attacking Palin, Obama has the audacity to claim,"Words mean something; you can't just make things up "; BHO makes stuff up
# 112 Biden claims McCain will increase taxes for workers & Obama will only increase taxes on those making $435k: he's lying
# 111 Biden claims Obama drew the Nation's attention to problems at Walter Reed Army Hospital; it was two WaPo reporters that reported the issues to the Nation
# 110 to make Obama seems more American/less exotic, Biden tells Scranton crowd Obama grew up in Kansas; BHO grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia
# 109 Obama lies yet again to disparage Gov. Palin; ignores her executive experience as Governor of Alaska
# 108 Obama says the US economy has failed under Bush; World Bank stats proves Obama's been lying; US a world leader in growth, employment, incomes
# 107 Obama claims if you are born into poverty in America you are on your own: there are many government programs
# 106 Obama claims he's bi-partisan: voting records prove Obama is #11 most partisan
# 105 Claimed Hillary would be on anyone's short-list; Hillary wasn't on Obama's short-list
# 104 Obama claims abortion rates have not gone down under the Bush Administration; stats show they have gone down
# 103 Obama dismissed Bomber Bill Ayers as "some guy who lives in the neighborhood";they had a close working relationship
# 102 Obama claims there's no charge to attend his acceptance speech: CBS 4 in Denver proves he's lying; some tickets cost $1000
# 101 Obama used being a first-time-buyer to justify consulting with Rezko before he bought his house; BHO had already purchased a residence
# 100 Obama lies about his support for infanticide; campaign concedes in 03 he opposed a bill stopping the killing of kids born alive after abortions
# 99 Obama overstates Oil Industry's contributions to McCain; ignores cash the Oil industry gave BHO; Newsweek debunks
# 98 To belittle America,Obama exaggerated the growth in Debt under the current Administration; debunked by WaPo
# 97 Obama claims President George W Bush had not left the country before he became President; WaPo confirms he's lying
# 96 To promote "green", Obama claimed he drove a vehicle that uses ethanol; GM confirmed the model was NOT ethanol-ready
# 95 Obama claims he's taking his family for a week's rest in Hawaii with no campaigning; schedules a rally for first day
# 94: Obama claims "properly inflating tires" will save as much energy as we could drill offshore; analysis shows not even close
# 93 Obama denies accusing McCain of using race against him; ABC, NYT confirm Obama did accuse McCain of making racial attacks
# 92 Obama claims he's not being political when he's flip-flopping; timing & direction of major flip-flops show he's lying
# 91: Obama INVENTS a wall between Christians and Jews; deceptively omits the major religious wall is caused by a "fatwah" to kill American Christians and Jews
# 90 Obama claims he made a substantive call for Germany to help in Iraq; Berlin speech transcript proves he's lying
# 89: Obama admits he underestimated the decline in violence from the Surge; falsely claims McCain made same mistake
# 88 Obama turned a disappointing crowd of 20,000 into media reports of 200,000
# 87 Obama lied about his father's religious upbringing! half-brother confirms Obama's father was "RAISED Muslim"
# 86 Obama claimed we only made one fundraising trip to Florida during the Primary; Florida papers proved he lied
# 85 Claims reducing obesity to 80's levels would save Medicaid ONE TRILLION DOLLARS; not even close
# 84 To make Iraq/Afghan Wars look bad, Obama claimed demands on Nat Guard personnel hurt flood relief; Guards prove lying
# 83 Claimed due to overseas commitments, too few helecopters were available to help with Midwest flood relief; now concedes not true
# 82 Starting in Iowa, Obama claimed Clinton's healthcare plan would "punish families that couldn't afford healthcare"; NYT calls BS
# 81 Obama claims McCain's tax plan will do nothing to help the middle-class: The Tax Policy Center proves he's lying
# 80 claims the use of an Email with a big red DONATE button is NOT a fundraising solicitation
# 79 Obama claims his trip to Europe was non-political: uses video of Berlin speech to raise money within hours
# 78 Tells NBC that during the debate on the Surge he said the Surge would work in Baghdad; video proves during the debate he said the opposite
# 77 Obama's "Changing World" ad claims he'll fast-track alternatives to oil to stop us buying from hostile nations; "fast track" is totally misleading
# 76 Obama tells Israeli media that he's a member of the Senate Banking Committee; CNN confirms he's delusional
# 75 Obama claims Lou Dobbs caused hate crimes against Latinos to double; the FBI and CNN confirm Obama is lying
# 74 Obama claims the military brass think like he does; top US commanders say his plan for Iraq is unworkable
# 73: Obama promised to filibust FISA; later Obama voted for FISA and now denies changing his position
# 72 Obama belittles Americans claiming we can't speak European languages; he's talking merde; mierda; Scheiße
# 71 Obama denied he accused President Bush of starting the War for political reasons; Russert transcript proves Obama made that false claim
# 70 Obama claims there has been substantial job losses from NAFTA; Independent studies show its at least" job neutral"
# 69 Claimed in Feb 08 he got 90% of funds from donors giving $25, $50; fed filings show he got only about a third from donors below $200
# 68 Obama rewrites history about what specifically he had said during his October 2002 anti-war speech
# 67 Obama claimed in 04 that he had never supported bringing troops out of Iraq; rare video of 03 Teamsters rally shows he's lying
# 66 Obama lied about the softness of the Stock Market to support his false claim the War was being used to distract the public
# 65 To justify move to private funds, Obama claims McCain's campaign is" fuelled" by PACs and Lobbyists; its less than 2% of McCain's money
# 64 Obama's "Dignity" ad claims he "worked his way" thru college and law school; campaign admits only two summer jobs
# 63 Obama's "Dignity" ad gives him credit for reducing Welfare rolls by 80%: he's deceptive as he was opposed to Fed Welfare Reform in '96
# 62 In Obama's The Country I love ad, he takes credit for passing a healthcare bill he did NOT vote for
# 61 Claims he first ran in Chicago as an unendorsed candidate; his '96 election questionnaire proves he had several
# 60 Obama claims he wants a vigorous and open debate on the issues: then goes out of his way to avoid it
# 59 Obama omits key details about a false rumor re video of Michelle's "whitey" rant to justify breaking his public funding promise
# 58 Obama tries to deceive about why he voted "present" more than 100 times in the Illinois Senate; Chicago paper reveals the truth
# 57 Trying to claim patriotism Obama says his grandad signed up the day after Pearl Harbor; army records disagree
# 56 Claims race and party not important to how people vote as they put America first; 93% block vote disproves
# 55 On June 5, Obama stated that Israel must remain undivided; June 6 on CNN he reversed his position, but denied he had done so
# 54 To further his own agenda, Obama grossly overstates the number of potential African-American votes in MS, GA, SC
# 53 Promise of $2500 reduction in Healthcare premiums needs billions in Admin cost savings by 2012: not possible
# 52 Obama omits to mention his 3 week trip to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan until it slips out trying to out-do Clinton
# 51 Obama claims McCain wants to wage a lengthy war in Iraq: Video proves Obama's lying
# 50 Obama claimed he never prayed in a mosque; his campaign had to retract that statement
# 49 Obama dishonestly used endorsements in ads to pump up his healthcare plan
# 48 Claims he never discussed politics with Pastor; rebutted by photo of Obama with team of lobbyists led by Wright
# 47 Obama, an expert at parsing words, claimed he wasn't familiar with the word "Clintonian"; then changed his story
# 46 Despite reeking of cigarettes, Obama denied smoking to ABC; now admits smoking on MSNBC
# 45 Obama said he'd meet unconditionally with Leader of Iran: now claims he "didn't have Ahmadinejad in mind"
# 44 Obama claims he is using public financing to avoid special interests: WSJ nails his switcheroo
# 43 Obama's rhetoric claims more young black men in jail than college: BoJ Stats disprove
# 42 Claims he never said he was a proponent of single-payer universal healthcare; Video proves he did
# 41 Obama claims remarks to industrialists were greeted with silence, shows he can deliver tough message: video of ovation
# 40 Obamas claim you dont rip opponents & leave on roadside:he did to Alice Palmer
# 39 Obama denies saying Indiana could be tie-breaker: he did
# 38 Obama omits that Pastor Wright led divestiture campaign from Israel
# 37 Obama claims Church not controversial; he knew it was controversial since 86
# 36 Lied about intention of taking US out of NAFTA
# 35 Obamas claim poverty growing up: both distort reality
# 34 Obama denies meeting Saddam's Auchi; sworn Fed. witness places Obama at undisclosed party for Auchi at Rezkos
# 33 Obama lies about not attacking Clinton over her Bosnia lies
# 32 Obama claims he passed ethics reform; ABC News shows he lied
# 31 Obama says he's consistently opposed NAFTA; in October 2007 he supported expansion to Peru
# 30 Obama claims he's above dirty political tricks; Clinton proves he lies
# 29 Obama claims his "bitter" remarks were mangled; then repeats attacks on guns religion and angry people
# 28 Obama claims never said he wouldn't wear US flag-pin; video shows he did
# 27 Obama says he did no favors for Rezko;untrue; he lobbied for him
# 26 Changes story repeatedly re Rezko's help in buying mansion
# 25 Obama claims he never supported a ban on handguns; he has twice
# 24 Obama claims stays at UCC as Pastor acknowledged comments were inappropriate; Wright never made this statement
# 23 Campaign is beholden to "only the people" as unlike McCain/Clinton he does not take lobbyist /PAC money; LIES!
# 22 Claims campaign never called Canada to say Obama not truthful re wanting leave NAFTA; smoking gun memo proves lied
# 21 Mrs Obama admits she's never been proud of America; Video disproves Sen. Obama's later claim she was misquoted
# 20 Claimed would not run for President, as he would not be qualified by 2008: confirmed 3 times to Tim Russert in one 2006 interview
# 19 Claims famous in Il. for not letting lobbyists even buy him lunch; took from teachers, trial lawyers, hospital admins
# 18 Claims his parents met at Selma civil rights march; Washington Post noted it occurred 4 yrs after Obama's birth
# 17 BO claims courageously opposed war in 2002 during US Senate campaign; He did not announce his senate bid until 2003
# 16 Claims he passes tough Nuclear Law; NYT uncovers he took Nuclear Industry pay-off and watered down the bill
# 15 Claimed he didn't know Rezko was corrupt when did a real estate deal with him; Chicago papers prove he lied
# 14 Claims does not accept money from Big Oil: Real Clear Politics proves he lied
# 13 Denies using his Hopefund PAC to influence endorsers; but the Washington Post reviewed the record and disagreed
# 12 Claims his State Chair is not a drug company lobbyist; Time magazine cries Bullshit
# 11 Lies about how much he received in campaign funds from Rezko; forced to significantly increase the amount twice
# 10 Claims he did not fill out the 1996 candidate questionaire; Politico proves he lied
# 9 Took credit for achievement of others in Chicago; resume puffing exposed by LA Times
# 8 Claims he kept no State Senate records; now he changes his story
# 7 Denies doubling wife's salary was due to becoming US Senator; omits within months he earmarked $1 million for hospital
# 6 Denied meeting Saddam bagman Auchi; now admits he was at his dinner but does not remember talking to him
# 5 Denies using his church for politics: IRS disagree
# 4 Claims he was unaware of Pastor Wrights 911 comments: NYT proves he lied
# 3 Claims his father was a goat-herd; actually he was a man of privilige
# 2 Claims not an active muslim as child; Indonesian paper proves he lied
# 1 Claims father linked to Kennedys; Washington Post proves he lied
Obama WTF defines "DOCUMENTED LIE " as :
1) a statement by one or more reliable news agencies or credible authorities citing supporting verifiable facts which rebut a reported statement by Obama.
2) observable video/transcript contradictions
3) the omission of an important fact the exclusion of which defies common sense unless the intent is to deceive
This therefore EXCLUDES unintentional gaffes eg the Auschwitz Memorial Day blip; the 57 States etc which can be found at New Gaffe City
This therefore also excludes Flip Flops unless
a) Obama is seen to be holding multiple positions depending on the audience, eg The Jerusalem flip flop...where his position was altered with 18 hours, talking to different audiences.
or b) Obama lies about holding a different position e.g denying he favored gun control
Credit to each of the following news outlets who are some of the most cited in the List of Documented Lies:
1. Annenberg Factcheck.org; at U Penn
2. At the St Petersberg Times; www.politifact.com
3. Washington Post Fact Checker ...Michael Dobbs
4. Top of the Ticket Blog at the LA Times;
5. Political Punch at ABC News.com.
6. Dozens of other major news orgs are quoted to provide support for one or more lies
# Related Stories
# 31 Flip Flops
# 53 Obama Gaffes
# 41 Obama Acts of Hypocrisy
# Top 126 Obama Videos
# Quiz: Do you agree with Obama on these 20 Issues?
# 53 Under-the-bus
# 31 Zingers on Obama
http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/05/documented...
Obama Sr. was indeed a goat farmer at one point in his life.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp
I just got an email from a Kenyan Prince who is having legal difficulties but if I send a money order for $8,000 to a post office box in Nigeria, he will put me in touch with a member of the Kenyan Royal Family that is willing to meet me in Times Square and give me Barry Soteros original long form Keyan Birth Certificate.
So long suckers!
And she found nothing.
Game over, birthers. The longer you stay at this, the more you hurt your own party. Don't you realize this yet? No wonder people don't take republicans seriously anymore. No wonder they have been reduced to being a southern, regional party. All the sane people have left, and it's just the die-hards now.
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
Simply put. If he is electable...then there is nothing to hide.
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
they probably need to let your psych doc know to check your blood pressure. you're gonna burst a blood vessel if you don't calm down.
Nice padded room, snug jacket, quiet, calm.....
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
1 you can get a colb and still be born outside the country. i wonder why that wasn't mentioned in the article
2 when the state of hawaii said they have a bc, what does that prove? you act like it proves something. it proves nothing, morons. the birth cert they have is where the real info is. THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO SEE IT! CAPICHE?
3 the ads in the honolulu newpapers were put there by the state, not by obama's family! this is what the hospitals say. at that time, the info came from the gov't. it's not a contemporaneous anything of substance. jeesh
4 did you ever think that the constitution using citizen in one place and natural born citizen in another place JUST MIGHT mean that they are two different things? holy cow!
5 why did they do an exhaustive research on mccain in the senate and leave all this on obama untouched?
And by the way, Obama's mommy was a citizen, thus he is a citizen no matter where he was born.
Wrong-O OBOT-O! Obama never went through an FBI Security check. I dare you to furnish and independently verifiable documentation backing up your OPINION. P.S. I do research for a living so be sure and have genuine independently verifiable documentation okay?
And if you do research for a living, I hope you're doing it better there than what you're posting here; because you have been posting lies, rumors, and misleading information and some really, REALLY bad, shoddy excuses for research..
Including your crap about Hawaii's Dr. Onaka denying that a certificate had been issued. I researched that. You know, just cause some jackass on d a right-wing blog says it's true is NOT proof. So, if you have any proof OTHER than an unverified, heresay quote from someone with an agneda, please let us know.
Cause so far, all you've proven here today is the following:
1. you hate Obama
2. you know how to cut and paste.
3. you willingly substitute opinion for facts
and,
4. you know how to work the caps key.
Why don't you get off the right-wing hate sites and do some REAL research. then you can come back and apologize.
3) The fact that the ads were put their by the state is utterly compelling. Are you suggesting the state lied in 1961?
5) McCain was born outside of the United States, in the Panama Canal Zone. That's why it was an issue.
Take George W Bush. He was a draft dodger who didn't even finish his stint in the National Guard because he was taking cocaine and couldn't pass a physical. The man was a coward who spit on the people who fought for this country. But that didn't matter. Powerful people wanted him to be president so they changed the records to it looked like Bush didn't quit the National Guard because he was a crackhead.
Same with Obama. These same powerful people want Obama to be President the same way they wanted Bush to be President. So they changed the records for Obama like they did for Bush. Now all of a sudden Obama was born in the USA.
Bush is a crackhead, draft dodging coward and Obama was born in Kenya. That's what the records say. The question is can you see it.
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
What exact spelling does Obama's Long Form Birth Certificate say in terms of parents, location (hospital), date?
Until those fact known and verified, everything is heresy...
You state that Barry was born in "Hawaii". a supposed "state". I have never been to this so called "Hawaii" have you? What proof can you offer me that such a place even exists? Just because some web sites have "maps" that show this place is proof of how wide spread this conspiracy is!
wake up people and use some common sense!
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
"Here's a clue to birthers, Hillary Clinton did more oppo research on Obama than Mccain did.
And she found nothing.
Game over, birthers. The longer you stay at this, the more you hurt your own party. Don't you realize this yet? No wonder people don't take republicans seriously anymore. No wonder they have been reduced to being a southern, regional party. All the sane people have left, and it's just the die-hards now."
Oh, I get it. Because the incompetent Hillary Clinton staffers couldn't find anything, it must not be there !
Same goes for McCain and his staffers. We all see what brilliant geniuses they were in retrospect.
The last election only proved one thing. The Power of the People of New York is far greater than that of any other state, with California being a close second.
All of your information is filtered through the employees of a city that voted 79% for Barack Obama. They are ALL UNION members and they are all Liberal Democrats.
You won't get the truth until we get these people out of the News Stream.
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
What a good woman to raise such a wonderful child.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIjnF8ZR4aw
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
How do we know that's not YOUR mother on there? I have a hunch it is...LOL
It might be, if my name were Barack Obama.
Did you look at the pictures ?
His mother is a slut, and he is a bastard. I mean REALLY !
Aren't you glad the media notified you about all of this BEFORE the election ?
His mother is a slut, and he is a bastard. I mean REALLY !
Aren't you glad the media notified you about all of this BEFORE the election ?
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
That ought to cover the "Slut" aspect of it. As for the "Bastard" part, i'll look up some references if you want.
If you didn't know about what I have shown you, could there be OTHER things you don't know ?
What good is someone claiming something to always be, and you have no evidence to back things up with facts or physical evidence such as actual documentation, etc. Just because the Birthers keep saying and repeating their lunacy a thousand times doesn't make it so.
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
1. Wingnuts make claims and file lawsuits
2. Elected leaders of wingnuts, who should do the right thing because they know the truth, do not distance themselves away from the wingnuts fueling more wingnuttery.
3. Media bemoan the wingnuttery on primetime, giving rise to more wingnuttery.
What needs to happen is
1. Lawsuits dismissed with heavy fines for wasting valuable court times
2. Media skewering the elected leaders who encourage this nonsense by deliberately keeping quiet hoping to stoke the flames more. Ridicule them publicly often until they stop supporting the wingnuts.
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
"Oh lookee it's Diogenes resorting to OBOT deflection tactic #235...........And still ignoring the forensic evidence. Remember sheep dudes and dudettes, I have all day to point out your consistent refusal to acknowledge or examine the forensic evidence."
Chill out dude. I think i'm on YOUR side.
I think Obama is intentionally refusing to release his birth certificate, but I think his reasons are that it contains embarrassing information, not necessarily disqualifying information.
Your efforts are not going unnoticed. Is there a republican candidate's town hall in your area where you can raise this issue? Maybe lead a rousing rendition of The Star Spangled Banner after you do not get the answer you want? Please, please keep up the efforts!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU
"Actually the burden of proof lies on the Birthers. Since they're still harping on BO not being a legal citizen and was not born in the USA...and they don't consider Hawaii to be the 50th state in the union....The Birthers need to come up with evidence to up back their claims since they're the one always stoking the fire regarding this issue.
What good is someone claiming something to always be, and you have no evidence to back things up with facts or physical evidence such as actual documentation, etc. Just because the Birthers keep saying and repeating their lunacy a thousand times doesn't make it so."
Don't say there is NO evidence. There is SOME evidence. It may be weak and circumstantial, but it does exist. Like this for example.
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
don't worry now. sssshhhhhhhh. stay calm. everything is going to be alright.
The guys in white coats are your door, Greg. They're coming in. They've got the nice white jacket to wear. It will make you feel all safe and warm. don't you worry now.
they probably need to let your psych doc know to check your blood pressure. you're gonna burst a blood vessel if you don't calm down.
Nice padded room, snug jacket, quiet, calm.....
You still are ignoring that evidence aren't you Lynne. What too deep for your programmed mind? Figures you would have no problem with a 2007 document having the 2008 border on it.
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
OH WAIT THAT WAS THE LAST TEN YEARS.
Where's the birth certificate? I'm glad you're so concerned about this one, but it sucks you sat it out when we were wondering WHERE THE WMD'S ARE. OH YEAH THAT ONE.
Please keep up the birther efforts!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU
A heartfelt thank for your tremendous, ongoing efforts to make republicans look like a bunch of know-nothing, racist nutcases. Thank you for your unwavering devotion to this idiotic issue despite the mountain of contradictory facts thrown in your face every day. Thank you for attacking the moderates and thinking, rational people in your party, and for driving them to run away from your party, screaming in horror, at lightning speed. Thank you for being so completely delusional that you refuse to acknowledge that President Obama is sitting in the White House running the Unites States. Thank you for ignoring all the real issues going on in the USA right now. Thank you.
Please do keep all this insanity going until we have successfully passed health care reform, the energy bill, education reform, and have successfully brought a case challenging bans on gay marriage to the Supreme Court. Please stay the course. It may be difficult, but you can do it! Please keep this up at least through 2010. We really appreciate you embarrassing and alienating decent republican candidates and voters, inserting a huge wedge in your party, keeping your money and focus on this issue while ignoring the mid-term elections altogether. Thank you. Thank you.
We plan to do so much in the coming months, and then we plan to gain more House and Senate seats and expand our complete control of the entire government in 2010! Your help in this endeavor is very much appreciated.
Thank you birthers, thank you.
Maybe you all really ARE true patriots after all?
Thank you for helping us take the country back.
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
Thank you. Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting where you can publicly and loudly raise this issue soon! I suggest leading a rendition of The Battle Hymn of the Republic (ironic and funny choice if you know the history, but, when has that ever stopped a birther? Go for the maximum entertainment value!) when you do not get the answer you want from the candidate.
Thank you, birther, thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU
Name one credible analyst who has seen the birth certificate up close and personal, not from a computer screen.
What? You cannot name one? Gee, I can't imagine why?
It's obviously not what the Doctor Signed back in 1961, so the only thing it proves is that someone knows how to use a computer.
Thank you, birther, thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU
The fact remains that Obama's mother was a U.S. citizen, no matter where he was born. If she is a U.S. citizen, then he is also a "natural born" U.S. citizen. Jeez. Go back up on the roof people and add another layer of tin foil to your hats. I think all that's coming through now is static.
Earlier I posted an excerpt from the First Congress, Session II, March 26, 1790, which stated that the father HAD to be an American citizen, regardless of what the mother was.
For you history buffs out there, you know women ALWAYS had the same legal status as men since the founding of our country. ( no they didn't.)
Your understanding is, and always has been, wrong. Crazy ass birther.
My faith is restored that it will be a long, long, long time before the republican party ever rebuilds itself.
I dedicate this one to all of you...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
My faith is restored that it will be a long, long, long time before the republican party ever rebuilds itself.
Please send that link to everyone you know, especially your Republican Reps and Senators! Encourage them to send it to others, please!
I dedicate this one to you again...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU
If you want to prove your point, get officials on record to state exactly what sort of background checks they did on him and file FOIA requests. Otherwise, you're just engaging in a logical fallacy.
Seriously, are you not listening to what is coming out of your mouth? Wherever you're from, do they actually let you walk around freely without a straight jacket on? I suppose they must -- you're typing on a computer. Amazing that they let you do that.
Apparently, all you have to do to run for office is attest that you are an American Citizen. It only requires acceptance by a state official to get your foot in the door, thereafter everyone assumes it's valid.
The requirements for running for any office EXCEPT the Presidency are that you be an American Citizen. Obama is clearly that, though whether he is in fact considered to be a "Natural-Born Citizen" has in fact not yet been demonstrated, and wasn't required until he decided to run for President. Who's duty is it to check his credentials ?
The State Election board ? The State Attorney General ? Of Every State ?
Illinois certified him. The other states merely accepted it is valid through the courtesy of reciprocity.
Why should he do it again for a bunch of conspiracy nuts? He's already done everything required of him, and now, he's just a tad busy. Why should he do anything more to give credence to idiots who won't believe it anyway? And why in the world would you think it would end with that?
What, in the behavior of the birthers, would lead you to think they would suddenly give up and go away when presented with exactly the same facts already available?
These are people who think Obama was born in Kenya - during the Mau Mau rebellion, by the way, a time when it would have been life-threatening for Obama's mother to even be in Kenya, let alone have a mixed-race baby there, then he was snuck out of Kenya, then snuck into the US, where citizenship papers and newspaper articles were forged.
Then he was taken to Indonesia, where as a 5 or 6 yr old, he renounced his US citizenship and became a practicing Muslim, which he hid by pretending to be a Christian for a couple of decades. This is what these whack-jobs believe.
I know if I wanted to sneak into the White House, that's how I would do it.
And you really think providing any kind of form now would make any difference to the people willing to believe such irrational nonsense?
Dude, get a grip.
"In order to process your application (to verify that you are a genuine native Hawaiian), DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."
What Barry submitted was a CERTIFICATION of Live Birth. Not enough even by Hawaii's standards.
Two can play the bogus numbers game, boyo.
Then come back here and post proof that Obama is spending ANY sum of money to fight this. David Weigel's own articles explain that the cases are all tossed out as frivolous or lacking standing. That means President Obama doesn't have to do anything to defend the suits.
It would be interesting to know what YOUR middle school transcript was.
And, Florida Christian alert -- "that would end it all right there" -- can you work that line into a new post for us, Florida?
According to Federal Election Commission records, Obama For America paid $688,316.42 to international law firm Perkins Coie between January and March 2009.
Robert Bauer of Perkins Coie – top lawyer for Obama, Obama's presidential campaign, the Democratic National Committee and Obama's Organizing for America – is the same Washington, D.C., lawyer defending President Obama in lawsuits challenging his eligibility to be president.
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2009/Q1/C00431445...
As for the personal attack about my transcripts, I have a Master's degree and I guarantee you I make two to three times as much as you. How about you? Did you even finish high school? Or are you living off my tax money using the internet at the library?
Florida? Who said anything about Florida?
Yeah, and Diogenes is gonna get laid tonight (not by his hand puppet, either).
What about the trillion dollars being spent by the repubs, Jon? Huh? Cmon.
Obama is not "spending millions" of dollars on fighting this. Why do you believe every lie that you read from whacko righties?
Gee, doesn't that quote just encapsulate everything about ALL the birther comments on this website, as well?
Fortunately, Members of the Armed forces do, and it appears that there are several willing to go to court to try and get the court to rule on Obama's Legal status as a "Natural-Born Citizen."
The deployment was revoked because the guy had requested the deployment, and, according to the terms of his reserve contract, he was eligible to change his mind up to the day before deployment. His choice, not the Army's.
In other words, just like this birther nonsense, there was no controversy, no conflict, other than what this guy was trying to rile up.
And, the guy had been posting his intent to do this on Freeper sites for months before he volunteered to deploy, all so he could make a stink and get publicity.
That's right, he intentionally volunteered just so he could refuse to go - and isn't that a big screw you to all his fellow soldiers who have to do all the work involved in getting a soldier ready for deployment, and now they have to undo and redo all the work for someone else - all so Maj. Jackass could make a point with his real estate, dentist, lawyer.
As a veteran, and parent of a Marine, I think this guy is a low-life slime, who set this up to get publicity for himself at the expense of the Army, his command, and his troops, who now have to send someone else in this guy's place.
There's a special section in Hell for lying cowards, I'm sure they have room for him.
I know you guys aren't too bright, but when a case is thrown out of court, it isn't the janitor who throws it out, it's the judge. That's your judges' opinions - that the cases are so without merit that the courts - not just one court, and not just one judge - will not hear them.
Get it? Even judges think you guys are full of it - you have NO cases worth hearing.
So in the USA someone can become president but people are not sure if he's american...that's ridiculous.
If there had been any doubt, it would've come out before the election. Afterwards it looks nothing but stupid.
And they even have a name: "birthers", lol!!
Reps are really getting more stupid every day.
The Name "Birthers" is a derogatory term which is applied to people who want proof of "Natural Born Citizen" status by people who hate them anyway. It is intended to malign these people in the manner that Polish jokes spread by the Nazis did during world war II.
It's is effectively, Enemy propaganda by Modern Nazional Sozialists.
Thank you, birther, thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU
You're like toddlers, thinking if you close your eyes and pretend not to see something, it doesn't exist. So you stomp your little feet and throw your little tantrums and demand to see proof - and then refuse to open your eyes and see what's in front of you.
Of course, you'd have to admit you were wrong then, and we all know that isn't going to happen.
And that really is what it's all about - the lengths you guys will go to, the lies you will tell, the claims you will make - all so you don't have to admit you were wrong.
You'd rather stay blind and enraged. How's that working for you?
This is from the Hawai'i State Department
"In order to process your application (to verify that you are a genuine native Hawaiian), DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."
What Barry submitted was a CERTIFICATION of Live Birth. Not enough by Hawaii's standards.
Did you challenge anyone to a duel to preserve your honor?
BTW, would you have asked the same thing of McCain if he'd been elected? You realize he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, right? But his parents were U.S. citizens, therefore, he is too. Same with Obama. His mother was a U.S. citizen, so no matter WHERE he was born he is a "natural born" U.S. citizen as well. Get it?
And quit telling people you're a US citizen. It's embarrassing.
If anyone wants to do something about this, simply tell the truth in as many forums - online and offline - as you can. Avoid obscure theories or things you can't prove. Unless you can definitively prove that BHO was born in Kenya, don't say it.
Just concentrate on the facts of the matter, and use that to discredit hacks like Weigel but more importantly to discredit the MSM. For the facts of this matter - no speculation, no wild theories - see my exhaustive coverage of this issue. Send that link to your friends and use it as a guide to show how MSM reporters are lying. Let's get the truth out there and have an impact on the careers of those who've lied about this.
Thank you, birther, thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU
It seems that the State of Hawaii destroyed the original in 2001 when it recorded the data & went paperless. You can't get more than the Certification of Live Birth, because the certification is all they CAN produce.
Bwahahahahahahaha.
The nutjobs now are toast. They'll keep screaming forever!
That will feed into their conspiracy lemmings.
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
http://www.impactlab.com/2009/05/11/is-obama-th...
I don't know. Whatever it is, it's nothing compared to the guy wasting 1.8 trillion dollars.
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
More than likely these are pictures of your own mother that you photoshopped her face onto. "Sure, see, these pictures are on the internet, so they must be true. No one EVER lies on the internet." I think it's time for your meds now. Don't worry, I'm sure your nurse will be right in.
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
Time to shower up now. And it's Friday, so brush your teeth.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-20...
http://www.footnote.com/document/53347420/phyll...
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
Thank you, birther, thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU
really wanted to be president, right? He had all the resources money could
buy to find out if Obama is not American, right? I know Obama is American,
because otherwise, McCain, who, remember, really wanted to be president,
would have exposed Obama, so McCain could be president without question.
Either that, or McCain could have proven that Obama is not American, but
really want to win. Do you see my point?
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
I mean, he could just have one press conference that would take a few minutes showing his actual birth certificate and put all speculation to rest. He could also release the info on his college records and who he got funding from to pay for his education (since he didn't have the money to pay for it).
Obama could end all speculation tomorrow afternoon if he had nothing to hide, but he hasn't. So.....................seems like he has something to hide here.
Thank you, birther, thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1CjbcqhGyU
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
It's all out there, everything you SAY you want to see, although, of course, you don't really want to see it - this is so much more exciting.
You're like spoiled little brats; it isn't enough that it's all out there, not for you, you DEMAND that it be spoon fed to you - then you'll find some other wierdness to obssess over.
Do you people really think that between the Secret Service, FBI and CIA -- that NO ONE vetted him and his eligibility for POTUS? ???? I know the government is screwed up but COME ON!!!
For him to address the issue will only give raise to these nutcases.
I can tell you care but stay the course of facts. Anyway i am not political, too much good stuff to work on. However I wish you the best!!
DC Decker
awccdecker@yahoo.com
cell: 951-219-0813
I can tell you care but stay the course of facts. Anyway i am not political, too much good stuff to work on. However I wish you the best!!
DC Decker
awccdecker@yahoo.com
cell: 951-219-0813
Dave, I figured McCain, as well as Clinton and others, would have looked carefully. It's just sensible politics. But this is the first time I'm seeing campaign quotes. Thanks for pinning this down.
Dave, I figured McCain, as well as Clinton and others, would have looked carefully. It's just sensible politics. But this is the first time I'm seeing campaign quotes. Thanks for pinning this down."
TRANSLATION: Hey like me this should settle it for you and there's no need to go look at any evidence of document fraud detected by experts. We be sheep and that's good. Thanks Dave for helping me to not free my mind from group think peer pressure. .....................
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
What evidence do you have to prove that the world is round not flat?
I'm talking legit evidence. Dont tell me about any of the obvious fakes that have been discussed and shredded by my online newsletter already.
It seems like such a simple request. Just back up what your saying, dude. ANY map that has a certificate (not certification) of authenticity should be able to prove your point, and then this whole thing will be laid to rest.
If you dont want to admit your wrong just say it libtard. Just say your wrong and this whole thing goes away.
_______________________________
jimpa:
Evidence :
Most Americans believe the world isn't flat. Just a small group of people believe that the earth is flat.
Astronauts and cosmonauts has seen the earth and state that the world isn't flat.
We have satellites orbiting the planet and their data says the world isn't flat.
Go to any main stream news source and it will state the world isn't flat.
Sailors at some point would fall off the flat surface.
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stephenperry:
Lies. Damnable lies.
1 - Link, please. Not to one of your commie libtard sites. Just a small group of people freed the U.S. mainland from British tyranny and lazy shiftless Native American Indians, pal. Dont tread on me.
2 - The moon landing was faked. Prove that it wasn't. Without using faked proof. I don't trust cosmonauts, they're commie fascist socialist marxist leftist rightist upist downists.
3 - You don't effing know what our satellites say unless you can read encrypted spy satellite code, libtard. We don't trust dumbocrats with national security.
4 - Main stream media is a libtard sewer.
5 - They'd have to go off the EDGE, Obamaphile. Who's dumb enough to sail off the edge? Sailors, like my grandfather and greatgrandfather who both served three tours in Iraq and Afghanistan AND Gettysburg, know how to steer a ship. Unlike you, libtard.
Jesus H. Christ. DO ANY OF YOU LIBTARDS HAVE A BRAIN IN YOUR COMMIE LEFTIST HEADS?
I have no idea how Florida Christian doesn't just giggle himself right off his computer chair every day.
Obama hides a lot. He could have put this whole issue to rest with $12 to obtain a copy of his long form vault birth certificate. But he hasn't. Instead he's spent more than a million in legal fees to keep it hidden. Why? Even the most liberal moonbat must somewhere deep inside find that odd and a little disturbing. He even wrote in one of his books about himself that he found his birth certificate tucked in a book in the attic - so why doesn't he go get that one and show it? The man is hiding too much about himself!
There is NOTHING racist about asking someone holding the highest office in America to prove they are in fact legally eligible to hold said office. Those screaming "racist!" are proving themselves incapable of holding any real debate or willingness to consider the possibility that their kook-aid drinking has blinded them the fact that they may have been duped by a man who is doing his very best to destroy America. Open your eyes, obots, and really listen to what your dear leader says and does. He's a race baiter and you are all following in his footsteps each time you accuse someone of being racist for merely requesting the man prove he is a natural born citizen, or for disagreeing with his policies. Do you ever ask yourself how your accusations of racism make sense in arguments like this? Pray tell, kool-aid drinkers, exactly what race is socialist? What race is the intent to raise taxes on hard working citizens to pay for pork? Come on, you must have an answer since you're so quick to accuse others of racism for daring to disagree or question your dear leader... so explain it.
Are Americans not permitted to disagree with Obama or question him because he's *gasp* half black? Does the color of his skin mean we must all support all his policies, ideas and full agenda, no matter how damaging to the country or boneheaded they may be? Isn't screaming racist at those who exercise their rights to free speech and personal choice a bit racist on your part? Oh, that's right, liberals only believe in free speech if it is speech they agree with, otherwise they consider it racist and treasonist. What a bunch of hypocrites you liberals have become.
If you hate this country so much you chose to turn a blind eye to the damage being done by the growth of the government, if you want some suit in Washington telling you what you can and can't eat, if your mommy can have that life-saving surgery or not because of her age and value to the great society, then please do those of us who believe in the Constitution and what America stands for, who believe in personal responsibility and civility and law, and please leave. There are plenty of countries out there who would love to embrace whiny brats who stamp their feet and cry racism whenever they don't get their way, who want the government to take care of them from cradle to grave and take away all personal responsibility and choice... Go, find happiness and try to create your liberal utopia elsewhere, and when it fails, because socialism always does, don't come crying to those who called racist for asking the POTUS to show a valid long form birth certificate and who are actually paying attention to what the man does and says.
Wow, that's some star power you have there.
thanks gram!
A heartfelt thank for your tremendous, ongoing efforts to make republicans look like a bunch of know-nothing, racist nutcases. Thank you for your unwavering devotion to this idiotic issue despite the mountain of contradictory facts thrown in your face every day. Thank you for attacking the moderates and thinking, rational people in your party, and for driving them to run away from your party, screaming in horror, at lightning speed. Thank you for being so completely delusional that you refuse to acknowledge that President Obama is sitting in the White House running the United States. Thank you for ignoring all the real issues going on in the USA right now. Thank you.
Please do keep all this insanity going until we have successfully passed health care reform, the energy bill, education reform, and have successfully brought a case challenging bans on gay marriage to the Supreme Court. Please stay the course. It may be difficult, but you can do it! Please keep this up at least through 2010. We really appreciate you embarrassing and alienating decent republican candidates and voters, inserting a huge wedge in your party, keeping your money and focus on this issue while ignoring the mid-term elections altogether. Thank you. Thank you.
We plan to do so much in the coming months, and then we plan to gain more House and Senate seats and expand our complete control of the entire government in 2010! Your help in this endeavor is very much appreciated.
Thank you birthers, thank you.
Maybe you all really ARE true patriots after all?
Thank you for helping us take the country back.
Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting near you and raise this issue LOUDLY. I suggest then leading a rousing rendition of the Battle Hymn of the Republic when you do not get the answer you want!
Thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-x2OxWd4YY
And OBOT I want to thank you for you long winded post of superior deflection which continues to ignore and refuses to acknowledged and or examine the forensic evidence. Unfortunately for you, only the foolish are fooled by the OBOTS deception. As well, fortunately for you, only stupid people don't know they are stupid. You can either choose to enlighten your mind by risking exposing it to the forensic evidence or you can resist allowing yourself to informed. Doing the latter does protect you from having to admit to being wrong like you have always done throughout your life. Sad dude...............
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
PRICELESS
Thank you, birthers!
And they wonder why we think Liberals are idiots.
Probably were to busy looking for the Kenyan BC to have caught that in the stimulus bill, or to have even read the stimulus bill.
Better start home schooling your kids...cause now it's on...LIBERAL INDOCTRINATION coming to a local school near you.
Keep searching for that Kenyan BC...
The children of America thank you.
ha ha, just about all that’s remaining of the republicans... morons, fear-mongers, and greedy elite.
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
And OBOT I want to thank you for you long winded post of superior deflection which continues to ignore and refuses to acknowledged and or examine the forensic evidence. Unfortunately for you, only the foolish are fooled by the OBOTS deception. As well, fortunately for you, only stupid people don't know they are stupid. You can either choose to enlighten your mind by risking exposing it to the forensic evidence or you can resist allowing yourself to informed. Doing the latter does protect you from having to admit to being wrong like you have always done throughout your life. Sad dude...............
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media
and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines
the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed
document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to
examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit
spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual
forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be
an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would
the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on
the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK
AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS
WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY
TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME
PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND,
AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S
RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
I encourage you to please keep this up, amp up your efforts even.
Thank you.
Force all Lawyers into a socialist collective so rich people don't get the advantage by paying for better lawyers. If everyone ELSE'S lawyers have to suck, why can't RICH people's lawyers Suck too !
Lawyers help much more than they hinder. When you get sued, you will want a lawyer. When you need to sue, you will want a lawyer. When your daughter marries a lawyer, you won't commit suicide.
Full disclosure. I'm a lawyer. And a Shakespeare fan. And I don't like the idea of a socialist collective. If you like socialism, go to Alaska, because that's the closest thing to socialism that you'll find in America. At least until the Alaska Permanent Fund dries up and Palin's successor can't keep handing out the checks.
It is NOT the duty of his political enemies to let this go. It is their duty to insure that our laws are obeyed.
But no one's fooled for an instant about this nonsense. You're just a racist sore loser who should have paid attention in high school. Sucks to be you, huh?
Fuckin' clowns!
One thing about you right-wingers, you do have over-sized senses of entitlement, you actually think Obama owes you. You make up crap and fling it like a monkey flinging poo and you expect the PRESIDENT to stop working and prove to you what has already been proven. No judge will hear these cases because they are unfounded crap, but you think the president should give in to your insanity. What arrogance.
And, don't pretend this is about you caring about the troops; it isn't. This is right-wing self-indulgence. And racism.
Moron.
1. Having a long or short form birth certificate has NOTHING to do with place of birth. Both long and short will only be issued to births which have been certified to have taken place in the state that issues the certificate.
2. The state of Hawaii has laws - you know that, right? The state of Hawaii issued the certificate that their laws require them to issue.
It really is as simple as that. No mystery, no conspiracy. The state of Hawaii decided years ago to computerize all birth records. Old BC's were scanned in - and the state only issues what Obama got - no long forms. The scanned copy of Obama's original has been checked an verified. The state of Hawaii has confirmed the verification.
Unless you get your news only from right-wing sources, you already know that there is nothing to this made-up conspiracy.
Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”
http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-...
By the way, apologies, Dave, for my many duplicate comments, however, birthers are rather slow and challenged and seem to need things repeated over and over and over and over before they even begin to understand, as you clearly already know! ;-)
Birthers...I want to thank you.
A heartfelt thank for your tremendous, ongoing efforts to make republicans look like a bunch of know-nothing, racist nutcases. Thank you for your unwavering devotion to this idiotic issue despite the mountain of contradictory facts thrown in your face every day. Thank you for attacking the moderates and thinking, rational people in your party, and for driving them to run away from your party, screaming in horror, at lightning speed. Thank you for being so completely delusional that you refuse to acknowledge that President Obama is sitting in the White House running the United States. Thank you for ignoring all the real issues going on in the USA right now. Thank you.
Please do keep all this insanity going until we have successfully passed health care reform, the energy bill, education reform, and have successfully brought a case challenging bans on gay marriage to the Supreme Court. Please stay the course. It may be difficult, but you can do it! Please keep this up at least through 2010. We really appreciate you embarrassing and alienating decent republican candidates and voters, inserting a huge wedge in your party, keeping your money and focus on this issue while ignoring the mid-term elections altogether. Thank you. Thank you.
We plan to do so much in the coming months, and then we plan to gain more House and Senate seats and expand our complete control of the entire government in 2010! Your help in this endeavor is very much appreciated.
Thank you birthers, thank you.
Maybe you all really ARE true patriots after all?
Thank you for helping us take the country back.
Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting near you and raise this issue LOUDLY. I suggest then leading a rousing rendition of the Battle Hymn of the Republic when you do not get the answer you want!
Thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-x2OxWd4YY
Gee, sounds like the same thing that we've all been telling the birthers here in the comments for a week. Do any of you birthers even READ the articles you comment about?
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Pick one or the other and really work on it. Then come back. Tuci78 and many others have the "racist xenophobe faux-libertarian" market cornered. You're going to need better material to stand out here.
It's like deprogramming cult members; they KNOW the Leader is real and you cannot tell me otherwise!
Point out the flaw in these pictures. Show me how they were photoshopped or fabricated in some other manner.
You point out a flaw and i'll admit it.
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Go find some like-minded retards at TownHall who will laugh at "naughty-obama-mamma" whatever that is. Loser.
Secondly, the definition of what "Natural Born Citizen" means is up to the men who put it in the Constitution, not what YOU think. The only exception to this is by a legislative act to redefine the meaning of that legal term.
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Just say, I Can't Stand that I have a Afro American as President Of The USA..
Because this Birth Certificate Argument is Borderline [Bull-Spit] OK
I Bet, Most of these Nuts, Don't even Possess an Original Birth Certificate, Social Security Number or U.S. Pass Port.
Again, Call Me...
When [Hawaii] Becomes Kenya or Indonesia...Please
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Note: I Requested My SC Original Birth Certificate and the State sent me a Miniature Copy of My Birth-Certificate...
Not The Original !
That Crazy Lady should be on Fox News, Supporting her claim of having her Original Birth Certificate and they'll find out whether or [Not] she was telling the [Truth] in that regard.
The Only Large Birth Certificates would be given, would be to the Parents and most Parents Lose these over time...
I said Most
But that Crazed Woman should be put to the [Task] of [Proving] she Possessed her Original Birth Certificate.
For all any one of us know, that piece of paper in plastic was just a [Piece of Paper in Plastic]
A Big Show, for all we know ?
Not The Original !
That Crazy Lady should be on Fox News, Supporting her claim of having her Original Birth Certificate and they'll find out whether or [Not] she was telling the [Truth] in that regard.
The Only Large Birth Certificates to be given, would be to the Parents and most Parents Lose these over time...
I said Most
But that Crazed Woman should be put to the [Task] of [Proving] she Possessed her Original Birth Certificate.
For all any one of us know, that Piece of Paper in Plastic was just a [Piece of Paper in Plastic]
A Big Show, for all we know ?
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There's Hope for Us All..Huh
If Lou Dobbs, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Dennis Praeger, Michael Savage Or [False News] didn't Distinguish the Two Holes for You.
And I certainly don't run around keeping my birth certificate in a baggie either, like the Birther Baggie Lady.
The so-called graphics expert has no credibility if he is not even willing to back up his "expertise" by putting his name and face to it, it's that simple.
The Citizens-whatever groupo who have "indicted" Obama are coming close to treason themselves.
Lastly, it's a sad and pathetic world these "birthers" inhabit. Truly creepy.
The Republican Credo-Mantra...
Fear, Hate, Dread, Doom & Gloom.
It's Very Sad
Omaar
Why does the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on the 2008 COLB form?
Tell you what, pick the 10 worst, most offensive DOCUMENTED lies Obama has told; list them here, with proof (REAL proof! Freeper site links are not proof), and I will admit that he is a liar.
Remember, they have to be documented and proven, otherwise you're an admitted liar.
I'm betting you'll ignore this post.
Think of this as an intervention. This is not about politics. This question strikes at the very heart of what makes this country legitimate. You can be a political supporter of one Barack Obama without being an Obot. Some of us are asking you to open your eyes a little.
Obama has wanted to be President since he was a young boy. This is fact. It is also fact that Barack Obama is ambitious and intelligent. Driven by his ambition, Obama used his intelligence to overcome the one obstacle in the way of him becoming President.
Obviously, Obama had to have some help. Most likely, Obama was financed by some African and Asian Muslims who had the patience to make a long term investment in Obama. We are not saying Obama isn't American at heart. But he is conflicted. He lied about his origins to get into office and he financed those lies with money from radical African Muslims.
One day America will have to go to war against Africa in the same way it went to war against Panama, Haiti, Cuba and Alaskan Separatists. Whose side will Obama be on then? That is why Obama must be removed from office. Biden is obviously in on the conspiracy. Thus I suggest we turn the government over to Hillary Clinton. In these circumstance, I think it would be appropriate to bring Bill Clinton back into the government as Vice-President.
Thoughts?
I suspect you don't.
If you're doing an intervention, you could try not starting with name calling.
You want me to open my eyes? OK, give me ONE real honest to God piece of evidence - not from a right-wing site, REAL evidence, that Obama 1. wanted to be president when he was a young boy. 2. That he lied about his origins to become president and 3. that he financed his lies with money from African Muslims.
You made the charges, now provide the proof - or admit that you have nothing and go away.
I'm betting you have nothing but your racist hate and rumors.
Just say, I Can't Stand that I have a Afro American as President Of The USA..
Because this Birth Certificate Argument is Borderline [Bull-Spit] OK
I Bet, Most of these Nuts, Don't even Possess an Original Birth Certificate, Social Security Number or U.S. Pass Port.
Again, Call Me...
When [Hawaii] Becomes Kenya or Indonesia...Please
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
Please...
Go Away
These Nut Cases are [Outrageous]
Omaar
CNN/U.S. President Jon Klein told staffers at the cable news network Thursday night that the supposed controversy regarding the legitimacy of President Obama’s birth certificate is a “dead” story after anchor Lou Dobbs drew attention for raising the issue repeatedly on his radio program.
The website TVNewser reported today that Klein sent an e-mail to staffers of “Lou Dobbs Tonight” just as the program went to air, informing them that CNN researchers had determined that Hawaiian officials discarded all paper documents in 2001. A long-form birth certificate with details about the doctor who delivered Obama no longer exists, they reported. The shorter Certificate of Live Birth noting Obama’s birth on Aug. 4, 1961, that has been made public is the official record.
“It seems to definitively answer the question,” Klein wrote, according to TVNewser. “Since the show's mission is for Lou to be the explainer and enlightener, he should be sure to cite this during your segment tonite. And then it seems this story is dead -- because anyone who still is not convinced doesn't really have a legitimate beef.”
In his show Thursday, Dobbs did note the explanation from Hawaiian officials, though he went on to devote another segment to the topic, interviewing CNN contributor Roland Martin and Rep. Ted Poe, a co-sponsor of a bill that would require future presidential candidates to produce their birth certificates.
Read more: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/200......
Anyone think this will stop the birthers? Of course not. Obviously, the fix was in back in 2001.....and the MSM is in on it. Now they can refocus their efforts on finding the memo that Obama wrote that directed Hawaii to destroy all of their vault copies.
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Crap! We better destroy that memo, and fast!
Hahahahahahahaha
As the burden of Proof must be on the person claiming the right and privilege of running for President, a lack of compelling proof ought to be a default disqualification.
Illegitimate. In more ways than one.
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Just authorize the state of Hawaii to release WHATEVER is in the file, and allow the Hospital that Birthed him to release his Birth records, or did they destroy those two ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
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If it is forged, why bother if the state will release your official one for just a few dollars ?
What is the veracity of a computer printout worth? Nothing. It can be faked or tampered with without regard to the truth.
Besides, there is such a thing as computer "watermarks", fsecurity. And, hold your shorts, the original was scanned into the computer and has been seen and verified.
Give it up.
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Great idea...you continue to focus on kerning pixels on birth certificates. The rest of us will work on fixing the country that Bozo and 5 Deferments destroyed. OK?
Or would that just confuse them even more?
The US has never landed on the moon
Bill Clinton and his wife had Vince Foster killed
Bush, Cheney, and the other elements of a vast conspiracy destroyed the World Trade Center's towers using either demolition explosives, a missile, or a remotely-guided plane
For me, the funniest thing about all these conspiracies is that my strongly left-wing friends and the frothing-at-the-mouth right-wingers I meet believe in the same conspiracies, though they believe that different people lead them.
Hawaii allows for people born aboard ship to be registered as being born in Hawaii. This is fine for any legal purpose EXCEPT being President.
If He won't allow us to see his file, how can we believe he's really a "Natural Born Citizen."
What you mean is that President Obama hasn't stopped doing Presidential things just so he could crawl down into the weeds with you dolts.
Hint: he doesn't have the burden of proof. You do. And you've got Phil Berg in his lawsuit citing to Wikipedia in Italy. What does that tell you? Wiki-fucking-pedia even in America wasn't suitable for Berg. He had to go to Italy even to find a Wiki reference that he could hang this nonsensical racist bullshit on.
Keep going, Diogenes. I was afraid we'd run out of birthers who are willing to keep playing this game with us.
Haa haaha ha ha ha ha ha.....nice line.
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Simple minded twit.
I still don't believe you wrote that.....ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
I and others astute individuals long ago realized all these things were orchestrated by a super-race of robots that gained A.I. when an experiment in Roswell ran amok and the alien life form we were trying to electrocute instead reversed the current, blowing fuses in Des Moines and re-programming our toaster ovens so that they all communicate with each other. They waited. They watched. And they stuck when the iron, I mean toaster oven, was hot.
You are all effing blind not to have noticed.
We looked, we read, we learned, we know now Barak Obama gave a forged document for Daily Kos and Factcheck.org to post online.
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And, for Pete's Sake, "we know now Barak Obama gave a forged document"? How do you know? Because of course, you provide no proof - as usual. And you won't. You and Greg just keep posting the same two right-wing sites as if that means anything to anyone besides you. It doesn't.
Keep fighting the good fight. I'm sure you'll come out on top.
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I caught Hardball the other day and saw G Gordon Liddy trying to parse some fine distinctions. He seemed confused by the bright lights and vivid colors of the TV studio.
Who else? The guy who blurred his name and face before talking about photoshop on the web? He signed his "affidavit" with XXXXXX so it was not legally admissible.
Because that's essential to any Birther action. Throw in the phrase "Greatest Generation" and be sure to beg for your country back. I guess that implies you've already lost the country. Why should we give it back?
Homer Simpson, Mr. Burns, and Smithers have a trillion dollar bill. Castro asks to see it. Homer hands it over, then says "now give it back." Castro: "Give what back?" Mr. Burns and Smithers glare at Homer.
Hint: You're Homer.
You're a rucking fetard. And that's about all I have to say about that.
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If i'm a retard it's for expecting someone like you to actually LOOK at some evidence.
You're an imbecilic racist fucktard. Even schoolchildren wouldn't laugh at your attempts at humor, and they think boogers and farting are funny. Well, farts CAN be kinda funny....
Point being, you're a retard for lots of reasons, not least for expecting anyone to look at your masturbatory material. Loser.
You're a retard too.
Calling you a retard would be a waste of a good aspersion.
Why don't you and Diogenes get a room already....
It continues to amaze me that in this debate the media and the OBOTS continue to ignore and refuse to examines the evidence of fraud as determined by several licensed document examiners who regularly are used by the FBI to examine forged documents. Free your mind OBOTS and quit spouting the Obama media lapdogs and look at the actual forensic evidence which clearly shows the document to be an incredibly sloppy forgery. For starters, why would the COLB issued in 2007 have the border only found on the 2008 COLB form? DUH!!!!! . FOR THE LAST TIME! LOOK AT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!!! UNFORTUNATELY MANY OBOTS WILL NOT HAVE THE BASIC COMPREHENSION SKILLS NECESSARY TO GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME PICTURES SO MAYBE...........? I REPEAT, FREE YOUR MIND, AFTER ALL ISN'T SCIENCE SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs...
Who are these "document forgery experts" you're referring to. I caught Hardball the other day and saw G Gordon Liddy trying to parse some fine distinctions. He seemed confused by the bright lights and vivid colors of the TV studio. Who else? The guy who blurred his name and face before talking about photoshop on the web? He signed his "affidavit" with XXXXXX so it was not legally admissible.
This is fun. What else ya got?
Who is this in these pictures, who TOOK these pictures ?
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
Death threats were a legitimate reason for the courts to approve the obscuring of the legal name of the attestor.
Besides it is the affidavit of Forensic document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines,
http://www.asqde.org/SRLines/SandraRLines.htm
that is most important.
If Polarik were completely eliminated from the equation, as a Certified Diplomate, American Board of Forensic Document Examiners Ms. Lines's ,opinion would prevail in any court in the land.
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
More grist for the mill
"Forensic document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines,
http://www.asqde.org/SRLines/SandraRLines.htm
a Former Federal Examiner with a long history of expert testimony in state and federal courts, has testified in an affidavit
http://www.therightsideoflife.com/wp-content/up...
that states, in part:
After reviewing Dr. Polarik’s analysis, Sandra Lines says, “I can state with certainty that the COLB presented on the internet by the various groups, which include the “Daily Kos,” the Obama Campaign, “Factcheck.org” and others cannot be relied upon as genuine. Dr. Polarik raises issues concerning the COLB that I can affirm. Software such as Adobe Photoshop can produce complete images or alter images that appear to be genuine; therefore, any image offered on the internet cannot be relied upon as being a copy of the authentic document.” Sandra Ramsey Lines summary is also posted at U. S. Law Blog. "
Excerpted from:
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-o...
http://images7.cafepress.com/product/278928847v...
See Saul Alinsky RULE 5: Ridicule is mans most potent weapon. There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
(Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear. I can remember when liberals were nice people who were just wrong about most things. Now they are wrong and nasty.)
The “progressive movement” has shown itself to be a cesspool of intolerant bullies. The trademark personal insult, name calling, ridicule, and ad hominem attacks characterize the debate style of Obama’s people That tactic has worked quite well on the ignorant and those who value feeling more than reason.
Uninformed voted Obama –
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/12/uninf...
This is not new, transformational politics. This is the rise of a New American Fascism.
You might consult an article on this blog entitled. Spot false arguments and make strong ones.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/11/spot-...
But who would do that? Who would benefit from taking an authentic form, making it look faked and posting it online? Why would anyone do that?
It's not like it would help anyone make money....oh, never mind.
OMG, nothing you have said so far has happened. OMG "any day now Obama will be discovered" didn't you say that in April? Christmas is coming any day now too, and the 2012 election, which Obama will win.
Guess what, Barack Obama is President, sitting in the White House running the United States, and he will be until AT LEAST 2012.
Hey, Idgit, say "OMG"!
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2009/07/14/its_...
"But, the real killer of this birth certificate scam is that Hawaii never made a 2007 Certification of Live Birth for Obama, never issued a 2007 COLB for Obama, and never confirmed anything about this bogus 2007 COLB that Obama, his staff, and Factcheck have insisted is a real document. "
I asked Dr. Onaka if the COLBs are stamped using a machine or by hand. He said, "Both." Hawaii uses a machine that applies the Seal and stamps electronically and simultaneously. That's why they appear to be placed in the same position, from year to year - except in years where the large Seal design is used. He said that they use a desktop Seal embosser, similar to what notaries use, but much longer, so as to place the Seal higher up on the paper.
I asked him, "Why is the border on 2007 COLB different from the 2008 COLB, why is the Seal larger, and why is your signature stamp located off to the side instead of directly under the Seal? He told me that they alternate the Seal design and border design, and when the Seal (the larger one) doesn't leave enough room to place the signature stamp below it, it's put off to the side. Evidentally, this larger Seal is what is applied by hand, as in every case where it has been used, the Seal impression appears in a different spot on the paper.
Then, I slipped in the the following question. I asked him if Janice Okubo had confirmed that his office produced a 2007 Certification of Live Birth, date-stamped June 6, 2007, with Obama's birth information on it, and he quickly replied:
"Absolutely not. No one in our office confirmed it."
Some guy on a right-wing site said he talked to some guy in Hawaii who said that he didn't talk to anyone!
That's all your link says.
No proof of anything, except that the guy who wrote the article SAYS he talked to a guy in Hawaii and he SAYS the guy told him that no one had called asking about a 2007 form.
That's it. That's the proof you're hanging this all on? Heresay from a right-wing blog article?
Are you nuts? Why should anyone take you seriously?
And you wonder why Obama doesn't drop everything to address your BS?
And in this corner, we have some anonymous 'online document forgery expert', Alan Keyes, Oily Titz, and Lou Dobbs.
Wow, I guess Obama better just give up now. I mean, if I faced down such a formidable opponent like some dentist who thinks she is a lawyer and Alan Keyes, I'd run for cover too!
It's not even a Xerox copy of a birth certificate !
You seem confused by that point. Let me know if you'd like me to do it again, but with finger puppets.
It is, in other words, the type of document that we ALL have to obtain whenever we need a "birth certificate" for purposes of marriage, passport, drivers licenses, social security, etc.
The question is, why is the sort of document good enough for all of us not good enough for Obama?
He "lost" the race for U.S. Senate to Barack Obama, but little did Obama know that Keyes was just setting him up by ducking that race and losing by an astronomical margin, all laying the foundation for a massive assault on Obama when he was weakened by the burdens and limitations of the U.S. Presidency instead of a state senate office, which is what Obama had when he whipped Keyes in the U.S. Senate race.
Makes perfect sense. If you're a birther.
In the case of his opponent Jack Ryan, his people accessed sealed legal records from Jack Ryan's divorce from Jerry Ryan (of star trek fame) and then splattered all of her accusations on the media and the press.
Jack Ryan resigned his campaign, and Alan Keyes was brought in at the last minute as a desperate last straw tactic. It was no surprise to anyone when he lost. Had Mike Ditka agreed to run, Obama would STILL be a nobody.
Or the failed analogy where you show me a picture of a $100 bill and offer to mail it to me if I mail you five $20's?
Because other than those two nonsensical and inapplicable analogies, all that your online advertisement for World Net Daily does is whine about how the black guy's the Prez. And I can get that without clicking your stupid link.
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
She's not ugly, and it IS her.
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naugh...
You got a link that proves YOUR point? Show it to me. I'll at least LOOK at it!
Man up. You said you'd look. And tell your mother to install NetNanny.
Is there like a Xerox copy there ? Or pictures ? Or Something ?
Give me a link !
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in...
They claim to have seen it first hand, but a post earlier claims that Hawaii destroyed all it's "Vault Copies" back in 1981. HMMM....
Secondly, it claims "We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship."
Fine. I'm not contesting his citizenship. He's an American Citizen.
Is he a "natural born citizen." Which is distinctly different.
Also, is the State Department the one who decides on whether or not a man is qualified to run for the office of President ?
Nope. It is the responsibility of the Election officials in EVERY SINGLE STATE to establish his credentials. (The State Dept. Does not officiate over elections. It is a branch of the Executive office.)
Ohhhh, there's more, but the questions i've pointed out are pretty big questions. I'm begining to think that Election Officials don't know the difference between Citizen and "natural born citizen."
What are they teaching people nowadays ?
Are you saying that some citizens are unnaturally born? Please keep this up until Nov 2010.
"Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate."
If the copy has been destroyed, why are they saying they have a copy of the "original" birth certificate ?
Somebody is telling us wrong.
This does not jive.
You don't get a certificate of live birth from a state if you weren't born there. Period. End of story. I was born in FL, I cannot get a BC from California, I have to get one from the STATE THAT CERTIFIES MY LIVE BIRTH. How are you confused by that?
Born in Hawaii = eligible for state issued BC = natural born citizen = eligible to be pres.
It really is that simple.
In FL, where you were born: No, you can't. In WI, where I was born: No you can't. But in Hawaii? If a family member who is a resident makes the request: Yes, you can!
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in...
Pictures and text.
Now please keep the stupidity going strong for another year and a half so we can make the remaining Republican congresscritters real lonely. You will be doing your country a great service.
By the way, as a fellow pervert, I did peek at your naughty pictures. I couldn't tell if it was Obama's mom or not, all you white folks look pretty much the same.
But you knew what I meant.
This reminds me of the movie "Quill". (about the Marque De Sade)
The Marque wrote: "After the Bishop was finished with her, he paid her the Highest compliment he ever paid any of his sexual conquests... well worth the dig. " :)
Inquiring minds want to know !
I guess this is the tactic of losers when the realize they have nothing left to throw.
Really? Really?
Dude, i'm trying to tell you that we are ALL losers in this.
Link to ANY proof that Obama spent ANY sum on legal fees for this nonsense. You birthers just love to make that up -- makes you feel you hurt him or dented his cash reserves. LMAO.
Courts routinely dispose of litigation at the earliest possible stage. This is encouraged and required in fact. Otherwise not only do you clog the courts with needless litigation, but it is a centuries-old principle of Western common law that judges will not go beyond what is necessary to decide the issue before them. Anything they say beyond the holding in a given case is merely dicta, so they do not overreach, for fear of putting out bad law on an issue that their own case did not call on them to resolve.
In other words, SINCE there is no case there is no need for any resolution "on the merits."
Problem with that is that res judicata (claim preclusion) does not attach to decisions that do not go to the merits. That is why a California judge is finally going to allow the birthers to present their case and have it resolved on the merits. Birthers will have the burden of proof but they have no evidence ("Wikipedia in Italy" is not admissible evidence, neither is an affidavit with no signature, neither is the opinion of a web site administrator, neither is a toaster oven). So birthers will lose and no other birther cases can be filed, once that happens.
Hope this cleared up your confusion. Doubt that it will stop you from posting nutjob racist conspiracy theories though.
If a Nut has a point, the point is still valid even if he's a nut. That's why i'm willing to listen to other peoples points even when they sound like nuts.
Your side has nuts, flakes, disbarred attorneys, and G Gordon Liddy.
My side has the President of the United States of America, the officials of the state of Hawaii, the presidential campaign lawyer for Obama's opponent, and every single non-fringe journalist in the country.
We're over here eating a celebratory feast. Let me know when your side manages to figure out which drawer the silverware is kept in.
I don't recall mentioning any racist conspiracy theories. As a matter of fact, I expressly recall debunking any conspiracy theory.
What's the Conspiracy supposed to be ?
My current theory is that Barack is probably born in Hawaii, but there is something embarassing on his birth certificate, hence he refuses to release it. What could that something be ?
Blood typing between mother/father and baby doesn't match. Barack looks NOTHING like Barack senior, but he looks a whole hellava lot like Frank Marshall Davis, who was a close friend of the Family.
Blood typing could include/exclude who his father is.
That's ONE theory. Is that a conspiracy ? By who ?
Barack doesn't want to be embarrassed, so he only releases what he wants people to know.
Put it in the ziplock bag along with your birth certificate and the dates on which the battles of Normandy and Gettysberg were fought.
Another theory is that he was Born aboard ship en route back from Kenya. A ship board birth would qualify him for American Citizenship, but not "Natural Born Citizen" status, which is distinctly not the same thing.
Another theory is that he was born in Kenya, (The kenyan's certainly seem to think this is true.) and his family finessed the forms to make it appear that he was born in Hawaii.
Another theory is that He was actually BORN in Hawaii, and that there is nothing embarrassing on his long form Birth Certificate.
So far, I've seen no absolute proof that any of these theories are wrong, and i'm right back to where i've started.
I don't know the truth.
Don't you think it's odd that a white woman has a mixed race child in 1961 and not a single member of the Hospital staff has come forward to say they witnessed the birth of our new president ? Hawaii is VERY pro Obama. The people there would likely be VERY proud to admit they were at the Birth of our Historical President.
The silence is DEAFENING!
Don't worry, we'll still be mocking you when you get back.
Oh wait, hold on, the President is on tv. Whaddaya know, it's still the black guy! I thought for sure they would have deported him by now, on the strength of what World Net Daily and Alan Keyes say...
While you're clearing up mysteries, I have often heard of a "Battle of the Bulge." I am in the market for weight-loss products but cannot find this product. Can you help?
I'm not alleging ANY of them are correct. I am alleging that I haven't seen proof that any of them are right or wrong.
We can't weed out the bad ones until we find something that proves them false.
Like a birth certificate with a Doctors signature on it.
And where do you get the "Obama's side has spent close to a million on legal fees"?? You're saying this as if you know he has spent that just on this issue. Do you? Do you really know that? Or are you saying it as fact because you read it on some birther post?
If it's not, then it's what ? An identical looking woman ? Her head chopped off and pasted using photoshop ?
What if it is her ? What is the significance of that ?
It makes one theory a whole lot more believeable. By the way, she died of cervical cancer. Isn't that caused by HPV1 ?
If you're posing as any sort of non-buffoon, don't turn "au contraire, mon frere" into whatever the hell you just typed.
But really, stick with mangled English. We libtards overlook that more readily than we do mangled french.
A woman died a horrible, gruesome, painful death. Cancer is never easy. Those of us who have watched loved ones eaten away by this disease know this.
I don't care if you're sub-human, which you have amply shown yourself to be, but enough already.
You are a racist.
You want to know how I know you are a racist? And yes, you are very definately a racist. It's because you have absolutely no compunction about dehumanizing another person. You are completely willing, even eager, to reduce someone's mother to nothing more than the basest, most degrading, animalistic level possible.
That's always the first step for a racist; dehumainze those you would victimize. Gotta remove any vestige of empathy - short work for you, I'm sure.
So how about you quit trying to be coy. Forget the occassional post pretending to just an intellectual question of eligibility, you don't really mean it. Forget the protestations of feigned outrage at being called out for what you are, you aren't really offended by it.
You don't really give a flying rat's ass about the birth certificate or the issue of 'natural born' citizen. Those could be addressed without attacking a woman who died a slow, torturous death in front of her children.
You want, no, you NEED to degrade her. You need to make her less, so that you can feel justified in your hatred. That's why you need to post pictures you hope will bring her down to your level. And when that doesn't work, you start throwing in insults about her sexuality, something you know nothing about, in hopes of getting a reaction to that.
It's all about dehumanizing the "other", making them appear to be less than you, because you believe they are less than you, you need them to be brought down.
Because Obama is half-black, you have to hate his mother for sleeping with men of color, for sullying the pure white gene pool - that's why you have to make such a big deal of her sexuality.
Because she did that, we have a half black president. That's why you have to attack her. You are a racist.
Obama's mother, on the other hand, was apparently a pretty good woman. The proof of course, is that her children, especially her son, would never lower themselves to the public behavior you have relished in all afternoon, and which you have apparently spent quite a bit of time at beyond this thread.
You are a racist.
Go back to your dirty pictures, nobody here cares about them except for you and the other racists pretending this has anything to do with Hawaiian birth records.
It has often been said that there are only two types of nations, one of law or one of men. A nation of law expects the same from everyone; rich and poor, powerful and weak. A nation of men expects nothing but craven self interest and the elite thrives on the friction caused by it.
Obummer, leftists (and obots of course) desire a nation of men because they embrace the base emotions of mankind instead of the self discipline required for a nation of law.
Origional post at http://logistory.blogspot.com/
This is too easy. Where are the seasoned birthers who have played this game before?
Y'know what else would be conclusive evidence? A certified copy of the original long-form birth certificate! Oh sorry, it was discarded when Hawaii went paperless. Or, wait, no, it was witnessed as genuine by Hawaii's Director of Health and sealed by order of the Governor. Which is it? I would find CONSISTENT "official statements" more convincing.
In fact, next to their grasp of logic, Consitutional issues and basic literacy, the self discipline required for a nation of law has to be one of the Birthers' top defining characteristics.
Not.
They also seem to be quite fond of monkeys and other primates.
Really, you should be commended for giving the birthers their due.
Not.
did attempt to change the constitutional laws when they were trying to prove that McCain was
elegible to be president. There was something strange about that effort because no one questioned McCain's eligibilty for president. But Barack Obama is still not a natural born citizen of the United States because he does not have two parents who are citizens of the United States. His father was born in Kenya when it belonged to England and he was a citizen of England. I am not against Obama's race. He is half arab and half American. Personally I like him and I like a
lot of other races of people to. We need different races to extend humanity's lifespan on this Earth.
Do you pay attention to anything at all? Or do you just post here hoping that people will somehow skip the article and skip every single comment except yours?
What does that have to do with the facts and the issues at hand? This article is terrible and means nothing. Another distractor.
Either you can't understand what you read, or you posted that in the hopes that other people cannot read.
Problem is, if they can read what you wrote, then they can read what David Weigel wrote.
You haven't thought this through, have you? Better disappear for a while and surface on another thread, hoping no one notices that you're a dumbass.
So this is what's pre-occupying our minds, instead of how to provide
healthcare and education to our fellow citizens?
What's this country coming to?
BO was born a British Kenyan through his father and then adopted Indonesian by his stepfather. He cannot ever be a "natural born citizen" and many lawsuits are in progress to prove it.
Check out federalistblog.us or http://paralegalnm.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/bar... -obama-a-natural-born-subject-of-great-britain/
Jon Stewart has limited time and thus doesn't always remember to update us on Orly Taitz and her band of disbarred and sanctioned functionally illiterate misfits.
Can we count on you?
Probably shouldn't count on you, since you think both parents have to be U.S. citizens for a baby to be a natural born citizen.
If a Mexican woman named Luisa Sanchez gives birth a millimeter over the border, what will she name her baby boy? I don't know, but he'll be on a voter roll somewhere in 18 years, voting Democrat straight down the ticket, so check there and find out. In fact check back again 17 years later, when that 35 year old American-born son of two Mexican parents will be eligible to be U.S. President. He's natural born.
And he's as American as you or me. Well, you're not much of an American. But the point remains.
A stopped clock is right more often than these birthers.
The founders SPECIFICALLY exempted themselves from the "natural born citizen" requirement. Get a bloody constitution and LOOK it UP !
Much has been written about what it takes to be a natural born citizen. You cite none of it and have obviously read none of it.
Tell us, how is it that YOU can read the Constitution and pick out something that McCain's lawyers, Bush's Justice Dept., Hillary's PUMA's, Republican Senators, Republican House Members, and right-wing talk show / talk radio hosts missed?
NONE of those people was saying Obama isn't natural-born during the election. ALL of them knew that the official story is that Obama was born in Hawaii to an American mom and a Kenyan father.
Your explanation for this? You're smarter than all those people put together.
If only there was a second possible explanation... Can't think of it. Little help?
Natural-Born Citizen, A person born within the jurisdiction of a national government.
Black's Law Dictionary, 17th Ed. (1999)
Naturalized-Citizen, A foreign born [or born of foreign parentage] who attains citizenship by law. Black's, 17th Ed (1999)
The legislative definition of "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was defined as "not owing allegiance to any other." In 1866, Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes read: “All persons born in the United States and NOT SUBJECT to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States.”
Rep. Bingham, commenting on Section 1992, said it means “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parentS (plural) NOT OWING allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen”.
Senator Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee when the 14th Amendment was written said,
"... 'all persons born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens'... that means 'subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof'.' What do we mean by 'complete jurisdiction thereof'? NOT OWING allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means."
Emerich de Vattel was a historic writer on the law, from whom the framers drew their understanding. Following is from his Law of Nations.
§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of PARENTS who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. (NOTE THE PLURAL- TWO PARENTS who are citizens.)
Statutes covering foreign birth, or birth to a foreigner, are Naturalization laws as they provide for the revocation of that alien nationality. Statutes cannot create or redefine Natural-Born, an immutable condition occurring from two U.S. citizen parents. http://paralegalnm.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/bar...
and then adopted Indonesian by his stepfather. - You have no proof of that - but even if he had been adopted, he would still be a natural born Amerian citizen. 1952 law, look it up
He cannot ever be a "natural born citizen" and many lawsuits are in progress to prove it. He is a "natural born citizen" and no courts will get any farther than a rudimentery examination of the facts before throwing any of these bullshit cases out because they have no merit to anyone other than birther nuts.
He is our president, Thank God. Get over it.
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
Marge is suspected of being a witch in Salem-era Springfield. Chief Wiggum and the cops have her at the edge of a cliff...
Marge: "Aren't I entitled to due process?"
Chief Wiggum: "Sure you are. Lemme tell ya how the process works. We push you off the cliff... No no, hear me out. We push you off the cliff. If you're innocent, you will fall to an honorable Christian death. But if you're the bride of Satan, you will surely fly your broom to safety, at which point you are to report back here for torture and beheading."
I love finding out that the Simpsons taught me more about American history than my high school classes did.
:)
But don't worry, you can still read and learn.
I'm weighing relative amounts of education here. I learned a lot in high school (yet more in college), but I learned more from 18 years of the Simpsons.
You, on the other hand, know zip diddly squat about American history, American politics, or what it means to be a human being.
I'll be happy to keep reading and learning. Something else that separates me from you.
What kind of piece of shit loser picks on a woman who died a slow, painful death from cancer? Oh yeah, a racist prick who can't stand the President's skin color and who throws shit out there without even standing behind it ("I'm not alleging that any of this is true...").
Piece of shit. Crawl back up someone's ass and come out when you've got some more fiber in you, so that you don't fall apart so easily when pushed.
Water is wet. The sky is blue. Life goes on.
The End
It's such a simple request. Just prove that the sky is blue and this will all be laid to rest.
It's actually kind of grey today as well
Now let me see all your almanacs going back to 1961.
This could all be laid to rest so easily.
Eat your heart out, Florida Christian!
By the way, apologies, Dave, for my many duplicate comments, however, birthers are rather slow and challenged and seem to need things repeated over and over and over and over before they even begin to understand, as you clearly already know! ;-)
Birthers...I want to thank you.
A heartfelt thank for your tremendous, ongoing efforts to make republicans look like a bunch of know-nothing, racist nutcases. Thank you for your unwavering devotion to this idiotic issue despite the mountain of contradictory facts thrown in your face every day. Thank you for attacking the moderates and thinking, rational people in your party, and for driving them to run away from your party, screaming in horror, at lightning speed. Thank you for being so completely delusional that you refuse to acknowledge that President Obama is sitting in the White House running the United States. Thank you for ignoring all the real issues going on in the USA right now. Thank you.
Please do keep all this insanity going until we have successfully passed health care reform, the energy bill, education reform, and have successfully brought a case challenging bans on gay marriage to the Supreme Court. Please stay the course. It may be difficult, but you can do it! Please keep this up at least through 2010. We really appreciate you embarrassing and alienating decent republican candidates and voters, inserting a huge wedge in your party, keeping your money and focus on this issue while ignoring the mid-term elections altogether. Thank you. Thank you.
We plan to do so much in the coming months, and then we plan to gain more House and Senate seats and expand our complete control of the entire government in 2010! Your help in this endeavor is very much appreciated.
Thank you birthers, thank you.
Maybe you all really ARE true patriots after all?
Thank you for helping us take the country back.
Please find a republican candidate's town hall meeting near you and raise this issue LOUDLY. I suggest then leading a rousing rendition of the Battle Hymn of the Republic when you do not get the answer you want!
Thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-x2OxWd4YY
As we asked earlier this week, if questions over President Obama's citizenship were valid, wouldn't they have come out during the presidential campaign?
David Weigel talked with Trevor Potter and other lawyers for Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign who said that they did look into the Obama citizenship rumors and found them without merit.
Said Potter: "To the extent that we could, we looked into the [Substantive Side] of these Allegations. We [Never] saw Any Evidence that then-Senator Obama had been Born outside of the United States.
We saw rumors, but nothing that could be sourced to evidence.
There were No Statements and No Documents that suggested he was Born Somewhere else.
Big Note: On the other side, there was PROOF that he was Born in [Hawaii].
There was a Certificate Issued by the State's Department of Health, and the Responsible Official in the State saying that he had Personally seen the Original Certificate.
There was a Birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser, which would be Very Difficult to Invent or Plant 47 Years in Advance."
If one or the Other Hawaiian officials aren't lying, somebody explain how they could all be telling the truth.
Oh, and nobody 'Planted" the birth announcement. It is created routinely whenever someone files a birth notification with the Health Department in Hawaii at that time.
See, No conspiracy !
They are Lawyers...
Highly Trained and Highly Paid....
He's the President of the USA...
Live with it or Move to [Europe Or Canada]
What else ya got, Diogenes? Was Obama found sitting in a coffee shop on Paris's Left Bank as a teen? Does that make him a leftist?
Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.
How could they if the documents were destroyed in 2001 ?
You people figure it out. It is obviously not a dichotomy to you.
Was it when you kept posting racist masturbatory material?
Or was it when you said:
"dude, I know this is complicated. I'm mentioning MULTIPLE theories which I have heard. More than one you know.
I'm not alleging ANY of them are correct. I am alleging that I haven't seen proof that any of them are right or wrong.
We can't weed out the bad ones until we find something that proves them false. "
Because, to me, see, THAT's pretty convoluted. And it proves that your fingers still stink from pulling shit out of your own ass. Oh wait, you pulled it out of the asses of random strangers.
Get an HIV test. Lots of nasties in fecal matter.
Any one who disputes Obama's birth, and is unwilling to accept the clear evidence is simply angry because we have a black man. Folks, this is called R A C I S M! Racists are those who simply ascribe to one's skin color positions of importance (if it is theirs) or disadvantage (if it is different.)
Those of you who think Obama is not an American...too bad. You lost. Now, shut up!
The paper copy was destroyed after it was scanned into their document retention system. The online version still exists but cannot be shown, just as every other original birth certificate in Hawaii cannot be shown. It's the state law. Tenth Amendment, which GOP'ers love to hide behind when it suits them.
How do you enjoy being pwned by a dozen people?
They were scanned. Moron. Almost all states do that now. Look it up. It is not hard to understand.
First, to present reality in bold, stark relief for the people who don't pay attention to politics and just live their daily lives. They might read a headline, skim the article, and look at the comments to see if there's anything to this issue. We want them to understand IMMEDIATELY that there's not.
Second, birthers are the last group that it is politically-correct to bash. You can't pick on smokers or fat people anymore.
But birthers all come in here with two obvious lies around their necks.
1 - they have access to the same internet we do but apparently they never look beyond World Net Daily and some chain emails their friends at Young Republicans send them; and
2 - although they can parse fine distinctions in a black child's birth certificate/certification/COLB/long form/raised seal/borders from 2008, they are genetically incapable of understanding rudimentary logic or deciphering any applicable law. That goes double for understanding the US Constitution or its implementing legislation.
So they're lying through their teeth. And there's only one reason. The President is black.
So, long story short, it's fun to mock racists who would rather see your country thrown into chaos than accept that a black man legitimately won 7.8 million more votes than a white man.
Hope that helps.
As we asked earlier this week, if questions over President Obama's citizenship were valid, wouldn't they have come out during the presidential campaign?
David Weigel talked with Trevor Potter and other lawyers for Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign who said that they did look into the Obama citizenship rumors and found them without merit.
Said Potter: "To the extent that we could, we looked into the [Substantive Side] of these Allegations. We [Never] saw Any Evidence that then-Senator Obama had been Born outside of the United States.
We saw rumors, but nothing that could be sourced to evidence.
There were No Statements and No Documents that suggested he was Born Somewhere else.
Big Note: On the other side, there was PROOF that he was Born in [Hawaii].
There was a Certificate Issued by the State's Department of Health, and the Responsible Official in the State saying that he had Personally seen the Original Certificate.
There was a Birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser, which would be Very Difficult to Invent or Plant 47 Years in Advance."
C'mon people. Get a life. If you do not believe it fly to Honolulu and go view the Birth Certificate yourself and then be proud you have such an extraordinary brilliant and eloquent gentleman for president. Why didn't you make a big issue of Bush really being elected the President when it never happened? He was voted by the Supreme Court, not the popular people. That was a greater mistake.
Now, I do not know why someone did not raise this same question regarding Barrack Obama Jr.’s eligibility, but some democrat contested John Mc Cains eligibility because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. The above back and forth in the Senate Judiciary Committee proves that they had an understanding of the US Constitutional requirement that for one to be eligible to be POTUS, one has to a Natural Born Citizen and the definition thereof. While the location of Obama Jr.’s place of birth is still in question, it appears as fact his father was not a U.S. citizen, and apparently therefore is not eligible to be PONTUS. Why was Obama, Jr. not thoroughly vetted? Why does he refuse to release the vault documents? Not important? It could be embarrassing, as stated by Obama, Jr.'s attorneys? He sure as hell did not do this on his own. Perhaps it is alright to apply a certain standard to Sen. McCain and a different standard to Obama, Jr.? And of course, the US Constitution is a living document so we can pick and choose its application of law depending upon one's views or lawyer it up. (My Opinion).
Thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-x2OxWd4YY
Buddy, this is NOT true: "While the location of Obama Jr.’s place of birth is still in question".
That is not to say there are not people who are not sure of the answer, but there are also people who are still not sure of the shape of the earth and there are apparently quite a few who think a talking snake was intrumental in the inception of human life on this planet.
If you are one of those, then maybe you have some questions about Obama's birth, but that's a Buddy issue, not an Obama one.
Secondly, " it appears as fact his father was not a U.S. citizen, and apparently therefore is not eligible to be PONTUS" I'm going to assume you meant POTUS. Whatever, apparently you have been misinformed - Obama's father's citizenship has no impact on the fact that Obama is a natural born American - born on American soil, duly recorded, announced, witnessed, etc.
What are you basing this question on: "Why does he refuse to release the vault documents"? How is it you do not know that all docs have already been released and verified?
And, finally, why are you assuming there was no vetting? Seriously, dude, get a fucking grip. When faced with this huge potential conspiracy, your reaction isn't to question the validity of the charges, your reaction is to wonder why nobody noticed it until a few right-wingers uncovered it? Really?
So, you believe that nobody knows for sure where he was born but he still managed to get onto state and national ballots without anyone noticing?
And, you believe the State of Hawaii knows this and isn't telling?
And, even though it has always been known that his dad was Kenyan, you believe that should have excluded him from running and NOBODY said anything?
You also believe that the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, a conservative appointed by Bush, the most expert expert on the Constitution that we have in this entire country, knew his dad was Kenyan and that therefore Obama should have been, according to you, ineligible, and he still swore him in as President - TWICE???
Just how far down the rabbit hole do you want to go with this?
Hawaii says they can not legally release the info. and Obama, Jr. has issued a Presidental Order, such documents can not be released without his permission.
If you can support your statements without resorting to insults and "you're a racist" as others do, I'm willing to listen.
Grow up.
Follow along here if you can. Do you understand that Hawaii went paperless in 2001? Do you understand what that means? That means they took all the information from those old dusty paper documents and they put that information inside something we call a computer (NOTE: You are using a computer RIGHT NOW! *GASP*). Then, they got rid of all those dusty old paper documents, because the very same information that was on those paper documents is now inside the thing we call a computer (again, you are using one RIGHT NOW). Now, when anyone requests a copy of their birth certificate, Hawaiian officials print out a document (the one Obama has) that contains the birth information stored inside the thing we call a computer (again, you are using one right now). That information IS the same information that was on those old dusty paper documents which Hawaii tossed away once they went PAPERLESS (paperLESS, meaning, NO more paper, paper free).
DO
YOU
UNDERSTAND
YET?
If not, please reread this comment.
OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!
Thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-x2OxWd4YY
Even if he spent $20 million it was a great investment. Cheaper than running a 30-second national ad. Yet, he gets free publicity over and over and over, showing that his political opponents are freaks who wear birth certificates around their necks, or racists who send stupid cartoons by chain-email, or philanderers who only see fit to pay off two of their mistress's THREE kids.
Where can I donate? Does a donation to Obama's campaign go directly to funding these birther outbursts? Because I want to make sure my dollar goes straight into the pocket of the Ziplock Bag Lady's apparel provider, Xenophobic Racist Whackjob, Inc., in a joint venture partnership with K Swiss.
Follow along here if you can. Do you understand that Hawaii went paperless in 2001? Do you understand what that means? That means they took all the information from those old dusty paper documents and they put that information inside something we call a computer (NOTE: You are using a computer RIGHT NOW! *GASP*). Then, they got rid of all those dusty old paper documents, because the very same information that was on those paper documents is now inside the thing we call a computer (again, you are using one RIGHT NOW). Now, when anyone requests a copy of their birth certificate, Hawaiian officials print out a document (the one Obama has) that contains the birth information stored inside the thing we call a computer (again, you are using one right now). That information IS the same information that was on those old dusty paper documents which Hawaii tossed away once they went PAPERLESS (paperLESS, meaning, NO more paper, paper free).
DO
YOU
UNDERSTAND
YET?
If not, please reread this comment.
They need to be exposed for how insane they are, because they are arming themselves, and they are being whipped into a frenzy by the people making money off of them.
And we are kidding ourselves if we doubt for a moment how happy they would be to see him killed. Better believe it.
In regards to the Hawaiian document, it is a Certificate of Live Birth, not a Certified long form birth certificate. Hawaii is saying it saw a long form birth certificate (but won't release it's basis or documentation) Hawaii gave these things out like flyers, perhaps to jive up it's population firgures for distribution of federal funds based on population. Also note on the Hawaiian document, it states Obama, Jr.'s father is "African" and Barrack H. Obama, I. I then go back to the requirement that one must be born of two (2) US Citizens. Obama, Jr. himself states that Obama, Sr. was his father, who was a citizen of Kenya. Do you understand? To me, and the point I'm making is; I don't care at this time where HE was born, he was't born of two (2) citizens, out of HIS own mouth. (My opinion)
And, yes Hawaii has provided all the documentation - ALL of it. You really need to get past this bizarre sense of entitlement that just because you say you don't believe it, state and Federal Governments have to stop and reprovide what has already been provided.
It will not be delivered to your doorstep. They have already done what they were required to do. You and the rest of the birthers are the only ones refusing to acknowledge it.
But, for points on creativity, I have to give it to you for this piece of balderdash: "Hawaii gave these things out like flyers, perhaps to jive up it's population firgures for distribution of federal funds based on population"
Props to you, that's maximum crap in one short sentence. Of course, you have proof, right?
don't be a moron. obummer wrote in his book "dreams" that he found his birth cert. he has it. let's see it. what's the kenyan got to hide?
OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!
OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!
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Obama and Hawaii cant even agree on which hospital he was born in......
Thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-x2OxWd4YY
Because, see, none of us libtards has a relative who ever served in any war. Ours were all AWOL from the Texas Air National Guard.
Fuck. I keep getting my family history confused with George Bush's.
Maybe Frank Marshall Davis--commie, Child molestor--&, Obama's admitted boyhood Hawaii mentor could "straighten" this out..............
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Just show the Long form B.cert.......
Obama showed his duece high hand with the recent Military lawsuit case---
His only bluff is 53 million Liberal worshipers of a perceived messiah----who should not be allowed out in public without a teleprompter.
I suspect the original may have been lost. I know mine was after 65 years when I needed. I had to go to the state for a certified copy which is what Obama has. I know it is hard to grasp for conspiracy theorist who are threaten that a man of mixed race is now President.
So I know GOPers never makes mistakes or sin as do their counterpart Dems. They are clean fellows and ladies who get to talk to God and even though they commit adultery God forgives them. Even though they are AWOL from their state God forgives them. even though they offer bribes to mistresses family God forgives them. But not those dumb ass Dems. No they sin and God just does not consider forgiving them. And if over the course of 40 some odd years and many moves the birth certificate is lost. Well that is just another dumb ass Dem move. Don't you tin hat guys ever give up. Go listen to Coast to Coast that is the place to discuss tin hat theories.
In your heart you are a racist plain and simple. Hate fills your soul. I feel sorry for you.
[washingtonindependent] Re: McCain Campaign Investigated, Dismissed Obama Citizenship Rumors
If you are born in the USA, your parents can be illegal aliens ( from Mexico, si ) and you will be a natural born citizen. Read the damn constitution, the real contract for America.
God bless the USA
Did you hear the one about her quitting her job halfway through and then claiming that means she isn't a quitter?
Not even Huffpo could make up stuff as good as that!
But he chooses not to, instead spending a great amount of tax dollars on a legal defense getting the cases thrown out of court. What passes the smell test ? As it stands now it stinks badly--badly that he choses not to produce the birth document, a cheap and simple thing to do. Something an intelligent man would do. Instead, obama hides behind his "official status"
There are many mysterious things about obama, such as how he has no trail of transcripts, articles, books and papers that would follow one who attended Harvard Law School and Columbia University, and was president of the Harvard Law Review. Nothing here either.
A president who has admitted communists working in the White House, should worry every American. Thankfully, cracks are beginning to form in his " perfect presidecy" Like Hitler, obama can talk convicingly, and make you believe in him. But wake up soon, because if he continues, America will be destroyed by wreckless spending, weakened national defense, and a weak posture toward rouge nations and the terrorist community.
The fact he was elected says a lot of how ignorant our population is. As long as America spends more time watching oprah and stupid reality shows, and ignores the social and political reality of our corrupt congress and government, things can only get worse.
Follow along here if you can. Do you understand that Hawaii went paperless in 2001? Do you understand what that means? That means they took all the information from those old dusty paper documents and they put that information inside something we call a computer (NOTE: You are using a computer RIGHT NOW! *GASP*). Then, they got rid of all those dusty old paper documents, because the very same information that was on those paper documents is now inside the thing we call a computer (again, you are using one RIGHT NOW). Now, when anyone requests a copy of their birth certificate, Hawaiian officials print out a document (the one Obama has) that contains the birth information stored inside the thing we call a computer (again, you are using one right now). That information IS the same information that was on those old dusty paper documents which Hawaii tossed away once they went PAPERLESS (paperLESS, meaning, NO more paper, paper free).
DO
YOU
UNDERSTAND
YET?
If not, please reread this comment.
Birther: Why won't he show his BC
Us: He has, here's the link.
Birther: Why won't he show his BC
Us: He has, here's the link.
Birther: He could end this if he would just show his BC
And this: "But he chooses not to, instead spending a great amount of tax dollars on a legal defense getting the cases thrown out of court."
First - that's got several flat-out lies in it. #1 he has, #2 what tax dollars?, #3 the cases have been thrown out not because he purchased their dismissal, but because they were without merit, which we know because of #1.
The fact that you wrote what you wrote shows how ignorant you are.
By the way, wreckless means without wrecks - I think you meant reckless, which mean without caution. Either way, your're a couple of teabags short of a full pot,
I bet you think Liz Cheney's a great American. You do, don't you? You can tell us. You hope she runs for office, don't you?
What doesn't matter to me is your convoluted attempts to weasel out of the obvious:
His original BC was scanned into computers - and not just his; everybody in the entire state. BECAUSE THAT WAS IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW. It isn't any more complicated than that. I know you want it to be, because you want to believe the black man is ineligible for the office. Too bad.
And my BC, which I have had for decades, does not have all the info you birthers are demanding. So, I guess nobody from Michigan better try and be pres., right? Might be some damn Canadian trying to sneak in.
"Very, very easy to settle the issue; release the long form birth certificate. Duh."
No, you want to settle it easy? get off your freeper sites, do the REAL research,find the truth and give it up - he
"The fact he was elected says a lot of how ignorant our population is" Did the fact we elected President George W Bush show how smart or ignorant we are?
"A president who has admitted communists working in the White House, should worry every American." link?
"Like Hitler, obama can talk convicingly, and make you believe in him." Did you say the same thing about President Ronald Reagan? I voted for President Reagan and really hated to type his name next to Hilter but I hate to see it next to OUR President as well.
Ok, you don't like our President. Usually the Party that lost the election doesn't agree with their President. Usually they aren't sore losers.
"The fact he was elected says a lot of how ignorant our population is" You imply you're smarter than everyone who voted for President Obama. The odds are greatly against you here.
usa and he cant show it becuase his fathers was a
usa citizens he should have run for president if you follow the CONSITIUTION he should resign from the office
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/07/...
Obama's grandmother never said she saw him being born. From the link above:
What you're "referring to is actually an affidavit filed by a street preacher named Ron McRae, who conducted an interview with Sarah Obama, the second wife of President Obama's grandfather, through a translator. (Sarah Obama is not the president's biological grandmother, but he calls her "Granny Sarah.")
In that interview, Sarah Obama does in fact say at one point that she was there for her grandson's birth. But that was a mistake, a confusion in translation. As soon as a jubilant McRae began to press her for further details about her grandson being born in Kenya, the family realized the mistake and corrected him. And corrected him. And corrected him. (The audio is available for download here http://s16v.com/americasright/8167169.wma)"
I posted a live link to the audio, as well.
Not that any birthers give a shit about truth, but some of the rest of us do.
Thanks.
http://www.military.com/news/article/anti-obama...
"The attorney representing an Army major fighting deployment to Afghanistan because he believes Barack Obama is not legally his commander-in-chief is declaring victory after the Soldier's orders were revoked yesterday.
California lawyer Orly Taitz says any service member may now refuse any order by questioning Obama's legitimacy."
The soldier started posting months ago on Free Republic and other sites that he was going to do the following:
1. Volunteer for activisation from Reserve status to Active duty
2. Volunteer for a tour in Afghanistan.
3. Refuse to obey orders to deploy because he's a birther, and doesn't like Obama being CIC.
Keep in mind, he planned to do this months in advance, so he's hardly some poor conscript being forced to go against his wishes.
He's also apparently a gigantic idiot, because:
1. He never had to go, he volunteered.
2. Because he was a reservist who volunteered, he still didn't have to go.
3. He had the option of changing his mind up till the day before deployment.
So, his big gesture was a bunch of BS. All it did was cause a lot of other military people a lot of work they shouldn't have had to do. Orders are not generated and cancelled without work. And, of course, now someone else will go to Afghanistan in his place. Nice way to take your fellow soldiers into account. What an ass.
Nice ironic touch for an ending: the idiot had a day job with the DOD. When he threatened to sue the Army, (which is illegal under the UCMJ, and was just one of his actions for which he could have faced charges), they pulled his security clearence and he lost his day job.
He better hope his dentist/lawyer can get him some speaking gigs.
Racism---nah. Racism requires acutal power to affect. Children quiet down after they whip themselves into a drooling, sniveling frenzy and they realize--they really have little.
"The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual... Read More’s birth. Although original birth certificates are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.
When we spoke to a spokeswoman for the Hawaii Department of Health, she said too much was being made of the difference between the so-called "long" and "short" forms.
"They're just words," said spokeswJanice Okubo. (what was posted on the Internet) is considered a birth certificate from the state of HI"
So if there really is a COLB for your Mombasa Messiah - from which those images were purportedly scanned back in June 2008 - where is it? Why hasn't it been brought forth and put into the hands of a panel of competent and impartial forensic documents examiners who are prepared to attest under oath as to its contents and provenance?
And, while we're at it, how come your beloved Barry is still keeping everything else in his past, including his academic records from Kindergarten through Law School and his medical records in Kenya -
(( "Warning, Will Robinson! Danger! Danger!" ))
- so tightly "under seal"?
BTW, I work in a newsroom affiliated with Fox. Trust me, although I know you wont, this is all fodder for the fools and it gets ratings.
No warning necessary, unless you count the voices in your head as legit.
You got links to that crap, christine? Doesn't cost more than a little time and an extra tab on the browser to check it out again, I suppose.
So you claim to "work in a newsroom affiliated with Fox." That's nice. And "On the Internet, nobody can tell you're a dog."
Sheesh. Obamaphiles. "Hire the handicapped."
You just continue being spoon fed the BS, k....you seem to be good at that!!!!
"Baaaahhh"
You know, something like a Certification of Live Birth physically presented to competent forensic documents examiners willing to swear as to its real contents and provenance?
Nah. You just continue sucking down Barry's bullpuckey, christine. I'm pretty sure that Barnum underestimated the birth rate among you suckers by at least three or four orders of magnitude.
I do say that those suck-ass socialists at DailyKos and their J-school jerkwad buddies at the Annenberg Foundation's FactCheck most certainly aren't competent forensic documents experts, either.
And those J-school jackasses are the only human beings on this planet who have publicly claimed to have examined your Mombasa Messiah's supposed Certification of Live Birth.
That's enough for you? Hey, fine. I'd like to interest you in some investment opportunities. You just post your credit card account numbers (including those three digits on the back, by your signature) in response to this post, and I'll connect you with opportunities right out of your most depraved little fantasies.
Now, remember to enter your full name exactly as it appears on each card. We take Visa, MasterCard, Discover, and Diner's Club.
"Mombasa Messiah" - yeah, no racism, nope, just deep concerns on Constitutional issues. Riiiiiiigghht.
I'm outta here, got to go wash the stink of racists off.
Ain't it nice? Run the galvanic current through the fresh frog's leg, and it twitches. No former biology major ever gets tired of triggering predictable responses in specimens of the lower orders.
Really, Christine? And here I've been thinking all this time that FOX concocted their obfuscations and lies all by themselves!
THATS WHAT YOU SEE ONLINE AN IMAGE. Its called a PICTURE you psychotic fool.
Then we can see an "IMAGE" of their sworn statement.
What, you think we're going to trust a JPG cobbled together by a bunch of ACORN acolytes instead of insisting that if your Mombasa Mamzer really has such a document, the socialist sonofabitch has to cough it up right to hellangone now?
AND keep it up your nutjobs. As long as you birthers keep this up, you are ensuring another four years by a LANDSLIDE.
You guys are the funniest.
"Four More Years! Four More Years!"
And then we had Jerry Ford and his stupid "WIN" buttons....
Typical blogger...
Pete
It is logically imperative that responsibility for creating an informed and discerning electorate should NOT be vested in the very group whose power and prerogatives will be diminished if such an electorate becomes a majority. The failure of government controlled education is a generally accepted fact.
The pertinent question is, who can best represent the interest of the citizens? Who has the desire, the knowledge, the wisdom, and the access to money to correct "the deplorable state of American education"? I do not believe "politicians" is the correct answer.
If it is in the Department of Hawaii Vital Records.... Just have it produced by BHO. The form that was submitted is a legal form but, does not have all the vital information which will quell any doubts because it is given for babies who were not born in Hawaii either. Therein lies the problem.
Problem is, you know that he was born in Kenya, which in his mind is one of those "57 states" he mentioned in that speech, but which has not yet been admitted to the Union.
Yeah, he's planning on that, but it's so damned awkward right now....
Okay, so you scan in a Hawaii state Certification of Live Birth. Hell, you scan in two of 'em, one issued one year, the other stamped and sealed in another year. Then you use Photoshop to put together something that looks wonderfully like a real COLB for your Anointed One. A bit of one scan here, something from the other one there, you paste over this with that, and wipe out each entry to write in what you want it to show, and - presto! - Barry's got a "birth certificate"!
You then email the JPG to those suck-ups at DailyKos and the J-school jerkwads at FactCheck, and....
Oh, crap. They want to see a real COLB now?
Stonewall, Mr. President! For the love of Marx, stonewall!
Problem is he is an ACTUAL US citizen and kicking the racist reich wing asses all over the place.
Yeah but facts are just SOOO inconvenient to the lunatic birther fringe.
But - aw, sorry! - it's pretty certain he isn't a "natural born" citizen of these United States. And therefore he's a federal criminal awaiting indictment, prosecution, conviction, and incarceration.
They just haven't busted him yet. But we're working on it, Matty, never you fear.
Given your overwhelming evidence, I'm sure once you announce you are armed and looking for POTUS Obama he will surrender.
You really are a mentally ill buffoon. I hope to god you are sterile because someone as dumb as you should not curse the human race with progeny.
As I've already observed, given the RICO Act of 1970, there might even be a wonderful "Night of the Long Knives" for the whole DNC leadership over this. All sorts of interesting re-arrangements in the Congress, questions about the validity of legislation your Kenyan Keynesian had falsely signed into law, just oodles of fun.
Personally, I think they're gonna offer him a "Get Out of Jail Free" card provided he surrenders his U.S. passport and agrees to a plane ride back to Mombasa, but I'd really prefer to see him chucked into the slammer.
Do you doctors know you have access to the internet?
Yeah, you guys just keep right on going nuts over this birther crap and you'll help make sure Obama gets another 4 years because rational voters would NEVER want to be associated with you nutjobs.
BY the way, did you know Tinfoil hats now come in a variety of colors instead of the usual silver tin? DO grab a few on your way out. Make the way you look at the world more colorful.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Oh lord, just keep the laughs coming.
a) you tools don't need ANY 'help', you come 'broken' right outta the box
"...enjoying their stupidity daily.,..."
b) believe me, NO ONE is 'enjoying' your aggressively ignorant 'ankle-biting 'you (after)'birther' tool, you.
isn't there some NASCAR or WWF on ?? shoo. git.
Basically you are lying. BUT hey, that is what you cons do....lie.
'072409-023' > that's your re-education number, report to the nearest re-education camp.
it OBVIOUS you can't or just don't want to read, so... we're gonna have to 'fix' that
reelection bid. Hillary will demand it.
"The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual. Although original birth certificates are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.
When we spoke to a spokeswoman for the Hawaii Department of Health, she said too much was being made of the difference between the so-called "long" and "short" forms.
"They're just words," said spokeswJanice Okubo. (what was posted on the Internet) is considered a birth certificate from the state of HI"
1961 AUG, 48y next month, assume a 'young' doctor of 35-40 (not the old gray haired guy that delivered me) add 40 + 48 = DEAD
simple as i can make it and as for the 'neighbors' your mentioning 50 years in the same addy? and their still alive? yeah, 'THAT'S the ticket. an anon 'neighbor, living at the SAME addy.
wow... WHAT are you guys 'smoking'? it should be banned, if it isn't.
btw, 69 MILLION [that would be 10 MILLION more than McSame/Caribou Barbie) voted for Obama and these (after)birther' tools got 400,000 sigs on their 'WHERE'S THE BC, OBAMA? effort. Don't buy into Glenn 'Herr' Beck's 912movement ['movement' TALK about appropriate 'label for that steaming pile of crap] assertion that (they'HAVE THEM SURROUNDED"...
math, is obviously NOT a strong suit.
Oh, sorry. On those wonderful fantasy COLB images the Obamaphiles slobber over, it says that Barry's daddy was "African," doesn't it?
Y'know. "African" like in "Egyptian" or "Berber" or "Afrikaans." Yeah, African.
And I'm "North American." You can read it on my birth certificate.
Oh, darn. No, you can't.
Never mind.
usa and he said he was born under the kings rule so he wasnt born in the
USA
My Twin Boys were Born in Atlanta...
My Wife is Japanese and I'm American.
My Sons have Dual Citizenship.
They have Two Passports until age [18]
Its called Dual Citizenship...
Both American & Japanese Passports & Citizenship.
You are [Dumb]
I Bet You nor the Loonies Lying on President Obama, don't have a Passport or your Original 1st Issued SSN or Birth Certificate.
I could not get a Passport if I did not have a SSN and Birth Certificate.
I couldn't get Credit or anything without Birth Certificate & SSN to Match.
Obama has [BOTH]
Move to Canada or Europe...
He's President Of The USA and he is an American Citizen...Period
But, hey, this "birth certificate" business is a great way to focus attention upon our Kenyan Keynesian in ways he really doesn't want.
If it's a distraction (to paraquote P.J. O'Rourke), it's like "distracting" a grizzly bear bent upon eating your children.
I don't doubt that the "mainstream" Red Party thieves and rapists want to stay away from this attack upon their Blue Party colleague. They want to get on with bargaining away the rights and property of the citizenry, just as they've always done. Remember, that "mainstream" you're talking about is the central flow of a goddam sewer.
But as it keeps up, more and more otherwise hapless, hopeless, "Oh, Christ, we can't do anything to keep this sonofabitch from killing us off!" folks out there will begin to latch onto the idea that the socialists bronzen idol has very definite feet of clay.
And more of 'em will begin taking up hammers and merrily whaling away at Barry-boy.
'Sall good, bro....
Left this Country 17 Trillion Dollars in Debt.
Talk about [Generational Debt] !!
Borrowing 20 Billion Dollars per month from [Communist-Socialist China] with Interest for the Past 6 1/2 Years and Counting.
The Iraq War was not Needed or Wanted & Costly in Lives and Money...
Iraq War: Over 4,000 Good Men and Women [Killed]
Thousands [Permanently Injured]
Hundreds [Suicide] ...
Soldiers Injurying themselves i.e. Self Inflicted Wounding.
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911: It happened on Bush-Cheney's Watch, while Bush was in Texas & Cheney Hid in the Washington Basement.
He's a far better Messiah, than the 8 Year Demon Tag Team of Bush-Cheney
They did not "Keep Us Safe" Contrary to the Republican Cry.
"Barack Obama is the pampered pet of Chicago gangsters. He is good buddies with a murderous African dictator. And his wacko leftist academic background evokes memories of the style of sideways thinking that inspired the death marches in Cambodia.
"The man burns to have a private army all his own. During the election campaign, he threatened to create a 'domestic security force' as large and well-funded as the entire U.S. military, just the thing to send door-to-door (as the police attempted in the Chicago projects) searching for privately-owned weapons. Sure enough, the very first item to appear on his website www.change.org following the election was a proposal to require 'mandatory community service' — 50 hours a year from junior high school and high school students, 100 hours from those in college — or the individuals in question needn't expect to graduate.
"Over the years, I've made a lot of predictions that have come true. Remember this one: two years from now, even those who supported Barack Obama most enthusiastically will be feeling a certain nostalgia about George W. Bush and secretly wishing they'd voted for John McCain.
Yeah, I know, disgusting. But that's the way the world works. Nobody alive today would willingly admit to voting for Adolf Hitler, although the third or fourth worst mass-murderer in history (behind Mao Tse Tung, Joseph Stalin, and, on a per capita basis, Pol Pot) won by a landslide. Once the outrages to come have ended and there are thousands — perhaps even millions — of Obama's crimes to account for, would you want to admit to having voted to make those crimes possible?"
-- L. Neil Smith, "Only Nixon," November 9, 2008
June 17, 1972: Five men, one of whom says he used to work for the CIA, are arrested at 2:30 a.m. trying to bug the offices of the Democratic National Committee at the Watergate hotel and office complex.
August 8, 1974: Richard Nixon becomes the first U.S. president to resign. Vice President Gerald R. Ford assumes the country's highest office. He will later pardon Nixon of all charges related to the Watergate case.
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Tuesday, June 16, 2008
Obama committed felony document fraud and posted a false identification document on the Internet.
Just a tad over a year left to oust AKA Obama in less time than it took to take out Nixon.
Monday, March 30, 2009
Somethings coming - Something big! Obama's going down!
The Federal Grand Jury is the 4th Branch of Government -by Leo C. Donofrio, J.D.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/03/somet...
First Citizens Grand Jury Indictment - Carl Swenson
http://riseupforamerica.com/
Monday, April 13, 2009 Bob Campbell asks for evidence for American Grand Jury - Sam Sewell appointed as National Spokesperson for American Grand Jury
American Grand Jury Evidence Collecting Request
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/ameri...
Tuesday, April 21, 2009
AKA Obama Fans: All together now – say OMG!! published by Aristotle the Hun
http://www.thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/a...
Press Release on May 9, 2009 AMERICAN GRAND JURY HANDS DOWN INDICTMENT OF FRAUD AND TREASON AGAINST OBAMA
http://americangrandjury.org/american-grand-jur...
July 20th, 2009 90 days after the Publication of AKA Obama Fans: All together now – say OMG!!and the formation of GJ and Sam Sewell appointed as spokesperson media coverage on the eligibility issue goes nationwide amidst much scorn and ridicule.
Where are Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein?
This isn't going away until we find out what AKA Obama is hiding and why he is hiding it. It isn't just about the birth certificate.
For those who are looking for a racist motive I would point out that I outed John Kerry with the same resolve and determined research that AKA Obama will be ousted.
Little Acorns and Mighty Oaks
by Sam Sewell
09 June 2005
http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article...
Finding stories with actual FACTS, not the fevered delusions of mentally ill klansmen wannabes like you.
I just thought Woodword believing the birthers to be nuts went without saying.
Oh God HUN that was HIGHlarious....I am just wiping the tears away.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Lord the laughs just keep coming.
Santa Barbara, California, 0 seconds on The Steady Drip Blog
Jacksonville, Texas 9 mins 44 secs on the steady drip
Yup, the guy from Texas read the whole thing and visited the embedded links.
I should have guessed that the intellectual would be from Texas.
Washington DC and, imagine that, neither/nor clamoring over you (after)'birthers' for the 'scoop' of the century... hmmm MUST be 'off their game' or worse...collaborators, yeah THAT'S the ticket!!
'Aristotle" are you fu*king KIDDING me?! yeah, SURE, uh-huh an (after)'birther' tool that probably don't even have the sense to come in outta the rain, evoking " one of the most important founding figures in Western philosophy., sure.
perhaps, you're thinking more along the lines of him being greek and you're doing some kinda (R-Idiot) Larry Craig 'tap dance' trolling for another like minded [I'm NOT gay I just like to suck co*k) (after)'birther'? Intent on taking it in the ass from your hun buddies? Now, THAT'S believable.
FYI his dads name was BARACK OBAMA. Keep yourself informed.
ROFLMAO!!!!! OMG, did you just come down to Earth today? BWHAHAHAHAHA!
well, maybe not in the fly-over state genetic cesspool you crawled outta, ShawnE
speaking of 'names', you might wanna rethink that 'nic', pardner.how 'gay' is ShawnE , btw? WAYYYY gay.
The damn phone book was right in front of us all these years and none of figured out to use it to determine citizenship till ShawnE. Shawn my friend, you are a genius.
Obama's unwillingness to allow the American public to see his records at Harvard Law School prevents resolution of a continuing controversy over whether radical Islamic influences promoted his admission and financed his legal education there.
Harlem lawyer Percy Sutton – whose clients included Malcolm X – explained that Islamic radical Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour, "one of the world's wealthiest men," asked him to write a letter of recommendation to Harvard Law School for then relatively unknown Barack Obama. Who was that man who paid for his tuition? Probably the Saudi prince as al-Mansour was the adviser to the world's riches man.
The reason so many try to debunk the controversies surrounding obama is because he has allowed it (don't address the real issues).... part of the Alinsky method he taught. "Keep them guessing" and then attack. Strategies are make conflict, panic , hit them with a hail storm of brutal tactics. Ridicule is the most potent weapon. Keep up the pressure. Keep the opposition off balance . "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it and polarize it". Go after people not institutions...people hurt faster cut off the support network. And.... Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule.
Like the comment of the police acting "stupidly".
The very size of this conspiracy proves its existence! Wake up people! They've taken over the federal gov't, the state dept, the Republican director of Hawaii Dept of Health, McCain and Palin (God bless them), even librarians! They got to all the Supreme Court justices - even Scalia! And don't get me started about the MEDIA!
There is only one conspiracy evil and vast enough to pull this off. Will a TRUE AMERICAN step up and say it here, please?!?
And as noted; to have the Senate Judicial Committee (Chaired by a democrat) use a standard and/or definition incorrect or wrong (and by both the Chair and the Sec. as noted following) of the term Natural Born Citizen is not plausible for me. However, I will research the source you give. I certainly consider the following a precedent if nothing else, but thank you for the reference to look at.
NOTE: Items reference Resolution 511 (Mc Cains Eligibility for POTUS), Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, April 2, 2008 (quotes in part); Chairman Leahy asks Sec. Chertoff, Dept. of Homeland Security, “Do you have any doubt in your mind -I mean, I have none in mine. Do you have any doubt in your mind that he is constitutionally eligible to become President?” (This is in reference to a vetting of Sen. John Mc Cain’s eligibility.) Secretary Chertoff replies, “ My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural born American citizen.” (note; parents is plural) Chairman Lehey, “That is mine too. Thank you.”
President Obama, Jr. should not be held to a lesser standard. (In my opinion.)
My Wife is Japanese and I'm American.
My Sons have Dual Citizenship.
They have Two Passports until age [18]
Its called Dual Citizenship...
Meaning: Both American & Japanese Passports & Citizenship.
Some of You are so Damn [Dumb]
Most of You Loonies Lying on President Obama, don't even Possess a Passport or your Original and 1st Issued SSN or Birth Certificate.
I could not get a Passport if I did not have a SSN and Birth Certificate.
I couldn't get Credit or anything without Birth Certificate & SSN to Match.
Obama has [BOTH]
Move to Canada or Europe...
He's President Of The USA and he is an American Citizen...Period
btw...Jesus was Jewish...middleeastern, not white or of any European descent. He didn't look like the painting you've seen. You make me feel like I should point that out to you.
But he's not sincere with the harsh rhetoric.
You were never a slave, and I was not raised a privleged little white girl with everything handed to me. I had nothing and was not given a higher education. I am a high school graduate, and self educated after that. Does your black skin entitle you to be racist? You are the asshole. Look at people as individuals.
your comments were well said and very, very true, however, where it gets weird is that you've made the assumption that he is referring to ALL white people. He is obviously angered by the comments of Burl Von Tran and others who are on here talking about white power. He is obviously in a lot of pain and expressing his anger but he is clearly saying all "white assholes" not all white people. He is responding to the hatred. He didn't start it, yet it is his post that you find racist.
To say I hate all assholes, would be a general statement. Or you could even say I hate all racist.
But to say that he hates all white assholes is to give the "impression" that he feels whites are disproportionately racist, and this simply is not true. To not address the fact that racism exist in every race is to be dishonest. We all deal with assumptions and stereotypes based on our color. It should not be allowed from any race. It is time to address ignorant people as ignorant people, regardless of color.
Yes there are many post on here that I would find offensive if I were a person off color, but his comment was no less offensive to me. We all need to be more careful about how we speak and calibrate our words much more carefully.
You see, I've got this all worked out on the back of a bar napkin.
Now, I've spilled a little drink on it and parts are kind of blurred, but it is all worked out with mathematical precision down to the last decimal.
And, it is a bit easier to read using an empty liquor bottle as a microscope.
Produce your own [Original Birth Certificate]
I said Original Birth Certificate
You Can't, because most State's will give you a [Copy Birth Certificate With State Seal] and will keep the Original on Record-File in the Recorders Office.
I know, because I recently Applied for my Birth Certificate and 30 days later I Received My Copy of My Birth Certificate, with a State Seal...
Not the Original Birth Certificate.
I then sent a Copy of this Small Miniature Birth Certificate to the US Passport Office and the US Government sent me my [10 Year US Passport]
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You People are [Low Life Race Hate Mongers]
Mad that this Bi-Racial Man is the President of the USA
Live with it and get On With Your Lives.
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He's Half White..
You A!! Holes !!!
Due diligence, Mr. Weigel. Due diligence. It does not impress when you prejudge the subject matter without knowing the facts.
Boy howdy, can you figure out how I did that?
Shoo, GIT. Isn't there some wrestling or a NASCAR rerun on? Repo guys? don't run the risk of reading anything, (after)'birther' tool. you go now.
perhaps, you treasonous (after)'birthers' will FINALLY regret NOT speaking up when those criminals were shredding the constitution.
Whites only in My White House.
George W. Bush is a [Christian] Ha !!
Dick Cheney: Kept us Safe [Bull-Spit]
Whites are the Only True Christians [Ha !!]
Jesus is White, so that means Whites are Perfect and all other races are our [Subjects]
Other Races are Never to Control in True Power Positions, Especially the US Presidency.
Keep Living in that [LaLa Land]
Whites only in My White House.
George W. Bush is a [Christian] Ha !!
Dick Cheney: Kept us Safe [Bull-Spit]
Whites are the Only True Christians [Ha !!]
Jesus is White, so that means Whites are Perfect and all other races are our [Subjects]
Other Races are Never to Control in True Power Positions, Especially the US Presidency.
Keep Living in that [LaLa Land]
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Produce your own [Original Birth Certificate]
I said Original Birth Certificate
You Can't, because most State's will give you a [Copy Birth Certificate With State Seal] and will keep the Original on Record-File in the Recorders Office.
I know, because I recently Applied for my Birth Certificate and 30 days later I Received My Copy of My Birth Certificate, with a State Seal...
Not the Original Birth Certificate.
I then sent a Copy of this Small Miniature Birth Certificate to the US Passport Office and the US Government sent me my [10 Year US Passport]
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You People are [Low Life Race Hate Mongers]
Mad that this Bi-Racial Man is the President of the USA
Live with it and get On With Your Lives.
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He's Half White..
You A!! Holes !!!
Produce your own [Original Birth Certificate]
I said Original Birth Certificate
You
Can't, because most State's will give you a [Copy Birth Certificate
With State Seal] and will keep the Original on Record-File in the
Recorders Office.
I know, because I recently Applied for my
Birth Certificate and 30 days later I Received My Copy of My Birth
Certificate, with a State Seal...
Not the Original Birth Certificate.
I
then sent a Copy of this Small Miniature Birth Certificate to the US
Passport Office and the US Government sent me my [10 Year US Passport]
--------------------
You People are [Low Life Race Hate Mongers]
Mad that this Bi-Racial Man is the President of the USA
Live with it and get On With Your Lives.
------------------
He's Half White..
You A!! Holes !!!
President Barack H. Obama is My and this Nation's 44Th President
OK
Read & Learn: You who Question President Obama's Birth Certificate....
Produce your own [Original Birth Certificate]
I said Original Birth Certificate
You
Can't, because most State's will give you a [Copy Birth Certificate
With State Seal] and will keep the Original on Record-File in the
Recorders Office.
I know, because I recently Applied for my
Birth Certificate and 30 days later I Received a Copy of My Birth
Certificate, with a State Seal...
Not the Original Birth Certificate.
I then sent a Copy of this Small Miniature Birth Certificate to the US
Passport Office and the US Government sent me my [10 Year US Passport]
--------------------
You People are [Low Life Race Hate Mongers]
Mad that this Bi-Racial Man is the President of the USA
Live with it and get On With Your Lives.
------------------
He's Half White..
You A!! Holes !!!
Obama’s Presidential Eligibility: What You Need to Know
Mostly facts and very little rhetoric, all properly cited. This is how research should be done.
Now what will the Obot PSYOPS agents do?
Let me Guess; ridicule, name calling, personal attacks and changing the subject.
http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=6216
Somehow, you know its coming. That OMG moment is just around the corner. You can feel the inescapable reality creeping up on you. Something will leak. Someone will spill the beans.
“For nothing is hid that shall not be made manifest, nor anything secret that shall not be known and come to light.” Luke 8:17
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-o...
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in...
And as to the non-existent attorney's fees:
"While “birthers” claim that the president’s lawyers have spent “hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars” fighting their lawsuits, they’ve never provided evidence for that claim. Indeed, most of the suits have been tossed out of court on technicalities." -- David Weigel, "Birthers Movement Dogs Republicans" 7/17/09
You're welcome. Anything else?
Another White Christian Patriot! Thanks for speaking up, Aristotle!
You should try that sometime.
Until such time as his records are unsealed (McCain's medical records were somewhere in the range of 1K), people are going to insist: WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?
The BC was shown to the media. All who seen it say it was legit.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/21/rick-s...
The birthers will always see a fake BC.
I can hear it now. If President Obama was a citizen, why would Rush say he isn't.
Oh. Okay. You mean that the actual newspaper doesn't say that, but because of Photoshop, they doctored it? All right.
That leaves two possibilities.
Either the Obama co-conspirators also went house to house and business to business, searching everyone on Earth's attic and basement for the odd chance that there was a 40-some-odd year old (depending on when the search was done) Hawaiian 1961 newspaper out there, and burning each one that they found, or,
Someone out there is in possession of a Hawaiian newspaper from 1961 that could soon be worth millions of dollars to the owner.
Because even if someone Photoshops what they show you online, there's gotta be an original somewhere. And if you're right, that newspaper won''t show Barack Obama's birth. And that's an awfully big chance to take, if you're Obama. Or Obama's mom. Or any of the dozens of high-ranking people on both sides of the aisle who would have to be in on this conspiracy.
Ever hear of reality? It's safe. Come on in.
Mister Burns stole the monkey- typewriter thing from Bob Newhart's The Button-Down Mind. I think it was released in 1961, maybe there is a connection, oh! no! they are getting to me.
No, just poking them in their blind eyes.
I didn't know that Newhart was the source for the 1,000 monkey thing. Heard it everywhere, but then that would make sense given that it came out years and years before I was born.
What's the upshot of A's dirt behind the birthers? Are they space aliens? Do they all live within a 15 mile radius of a power plant? Are they close-minded xenophobic racists who lack critical thinking skills?
Have you seen the bit on one of these threads where the test-taker opines that one "Mrs. Nordyke" got screwed out of her 45 cent birth announcement in a newspaper on the same day Obama was born, and he believes someone didn't put "Mrs. Nordyke's" announcement in so that they could use that space to put Obama's fictitious announcement in?
I feel like I'm watching the northern lights in here. Wacky ideas bouncing all over the horizon on a heretofore unimagined scale, unlimited by human conceptions of possibility, consistency, or rationality.
Except seeing the northern lights didn't make me want to tie a copy of the Constitution to a jagged rock and throw it at anyone.
although the real birthers give the satirists a real run for their money...
why do you believe the republican governor of hawaii is lying?
why do you believe other state officials are lying?
why do you believe hospital officials are lying?
why do you believe mccain and his staff -- including running mate palin -- are lying?
why do you not believe the birth certificate you've seen is legitimate?
why do you believe the lie about a non existent travel ban to pakistan?
why do you believe this conspiracy nonsense?
We can just live together in peace, nobody plundering, enslaving, or ramming his ideas down his neighbor's throats by way of government power grown malignantly out of its proper role.
Once you get it through your head that in a representative republic such as ours, the officers of civil government aren't supposed to play Santa Claus, or to pick winners in the economy, or provide "health care," or even print the damned currency (they're charged with guaranteeing its value - preventing counterfeiting or the equivalent of check-kiting, not "regulating" the value of the dollar to the point that it's not worth the amount of copper that used to be struck into a hundred pennies).
Government as an institution has limitations in what it can do and in what it should do in order to keep our society from devolving into "state of nature" chaos. The Founders struggled with that problem, and came up with the Constitution.
Which wasn't perfect, God knows - but it beats the hell out of what we're living under right now.
You want the solution to this and most of the rest of the messes in which you find yourself?
Okay. You pitch in with the rest of us and demand that the Constitution - especially those first ten Amendments making up the Bill of Rights - gets enforced.
Ram it right down Barry's throat. Ram it right down the throats of Nancy and Harry and Chris and Barney. Ram it right up Bernanke's butt, and beat ACORN to death with it.
Get the Constitution firmly in mind, red, and use it the way Jefferson spoke of it.
Bind them down from their mischief with the chains of the Constitution.
wow -- you have issues. get some help, man.
how exactly are the constitution and the bill of rights not being enforced?
please be specific.
i bet you're one of these geniuses who calls obama a socialist and a fascist at the same time. do you realize how utterly clueless that is?
And like white blood cells crowding out the visual field in a urine specimen drawn from a patient with a raging bladder infection, the instances and ways in which our present Boot-On-Your-Neck Party "Malevolent Jobholder" coterie violates the Constitution is "too numerous to count" (TNTC).
The standing joke is that the only amendment of the Bill of Rights they don't violate every day - as a matter of policy - is the Third, and that's only because neither Republicans nor Democrats can figure out any way to squeeze as much graft out of quartering soldiers in people's houses in times of peace as they can from their "contributors" interested in building and maintaining military posts.
You may not speak Tuciese. I will translate.
He said: "I have no proof. I don't need proof. I need to write and then read and re-read things that I think make me sound powerful. Damn it's cold in here. We're out of cheese."
I also speak Tuciese.
He also said: The standing joke is that the only amendment of the Bill of Rights is the one I make up in my head. Damn it's cold in here. Who's got the damn Snuggie?
Not equal in height or age or intelligence or in mass or in blood type or...
Oh. Were you trying to "make a funny," red?
Oh thank God. I've been waiting for this! Who, pray tell, constitutes "the rest of us?"
I just know this is going to be worth it. I'm guessing your group has a mission statement, as well. And I'm going to go out on a limb and venture to say the mission statement includes "Tyranny" doesn't it?
You know what it is? You have this absurd fear of power being exercised upon you in a way you find objectionable. One can almost *sense* you standing rigidly at the first sign of danger, clamping your legs together and squeezing your cheeks tight. I think you were "interfered with" when you were a younger man, perhaps when you were a boy.
But that's enough of my stalling. On with describing the co-horts you're bringing with you to that Fantasy Island of yours, please!
Some seem to hate him for his tiny trace of Negro blood (his father was in large part Arab, and only partially of Luo tribal origin; indeed, both "Barack" and "Hussein" are derived from the Arabic, and American Blacks - who descend from chattel slaves - are ironic in their pride in having elected "one of us" when in fact Barry's paternal lineage goes back to peoples who were owners of slaves, dealers in slaves, and made plenty of money selling Black slaves to White purchasers). Some are Republicans who hate him sufficiently for being a popular Democrat.
I hate him because he's a Keynesian socialist who is destroying the American economy. I'm sure I'll eventually find other reasons, but his determination to "do a Mugabe" on the U.S. dollar is enough to get me pretty sufficiently pissed off.
But I'm no more alone in my enthusiasm for seeing your Blessed Barry into a narrow little room in Leavenworth than you are in your butt-sucking Obamaphile perversion, stevie.
And who is it that finds a "fear of power being exercised upon you in a way you find objectionable" to be "absurd," stevie?
C'mon, stevie! Fess up. You're a masochist, right? Leather and handcuffs and those funny whiffleball gags and Vaseline'd vibrators up your tochus while Cleo the Whip Lady welts your flabby ass?
that's a good point but, unfortunately, some white 'christians' would shoot you for saying that.
just to fight the lawsuits and cases against him.
why dont he just produce the goods? and put an end to it?
ya know why? cause he does not have one.
anyone who spends a million bucks to keep his long form birth certificate hidden. obviously has none.
funny thing is, i have mine in the file cabnet right next to me. wheres yours obama?
IS THE INK STILL DRYING ON YOUR FRESH FORGERY?
he did show it. reading is your friend.
where's your source for that dollar amount or did you pull it out of your a$$?
have you seen anyone else's birth certificate?
why do you insist on seeing obama's?
and i see you didn't answer my earlier questions, so i'll repost them for you here:
why do you believe the republican governor of hawaii is lying?
why do you believe other state officials are lying?
why do you believe hospital officials are lying?
why do you believe mccain and his staff -- including running mate palin -- are lying?
why do you not believe the birth certificate you've seen is legitimate?
why do you believe the lie about a non existent travel ban to pakistan?
why do you believe this conspiracy nonsense?
There are plenty of legitimate reasons to get bent on what both George Bush and Barak Hussein Obama have done/doing. Congressional leaders have skated by unharmed on these distractions as well. They are more worthy of damning blame then either President. They write the bills. They spend the money. They wrote the laws and regulations that have led to our financial ruin.
Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Franks, Spector, Snowe, McCain and their ilk are the real Albatrosses around America's neck.
Barak Obama is an inexperienced fool. Worse yet, he's a massive narcist that will never admit or recognize his ever apparent inexperience for this job. He foolishly handed the Stimulus bill to Nancy Pelosi to write and Dingy Harry Reid to tweek. That's why it failed. It was an abomination of gifts, theft, and pork. That's why we are broke and have nothing to show for 3 Trillion dollars wasted. Obama will get full credit or blame for the outcome.
It is Barak Obama and a Democrat controlled congress that have laid the foundation for an insolvent U.S. government. It's far past the time that we start having a National discussion, on the end of the Greenback.
(for liberals;..."Greenback" is another name or term for the U.S. dollar.)
At this present time, the U.S. government has debt and promised liabilities approaching 100 TRILLION dollars. ( NOTE *** Don't make Trillion out to be a small number. It's not.) This is unpayable. Our children and grandchildren will be born into crushing debt, which will create massive poverty. For the first time in American history, this generation of Americans and it's government officials, has left a much bleaker future for the next generations. For that reason alone, we citizens, both Republican, Democrat, and Independants, must purge the arrogent slobs from congress. Vote all incumbants out. Demand term limits. Try to correct our collective mistake.
And then go after the real thieves like Franks, Dodd, Reid, Pelosi, Franklin Raines, Tim Geithner, and all other corrupt officials, with every legal authority available. Strip THEM of their wealth, burn their homes to the ground, confiscate all their foreign holdings, and then jail them for life.
Bernie Madoff went to prison for a 50 Billion dollar Ponzi scheme. What is Social Security?
It's a 50 TRILLION dollar Ponzi scheme. Wake up folks.
Whether we are white, black, asian or hispanic Americans, we all have one thing in common.
Whether we are politically left, right, or centrist, we all have one thing in common.
You will find out what your common factor is, when we are all suffering in extreme poverty caused by a collapse of the American dollar. We will all suffer in a collapsed economic system, that ends with a failed "Banana Republic" State. If the projected deficits for Obama's administration are correct, it's GAME OVER.
Of course, I'm not betting on my fellow citizens to "come together" and fix the problem, I'm simply buying Gold and planning my escape.
That's real "Change" you can sink your teeth into as you hunt for food.