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Leigh — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:09:26 -0000

Their is no evidence that shows a link between autism and vaccination. There is in fact many studies that show their is not a link. I think that people to need a history lesson to be reminded of the mortality rates of diseases such as measles and whooping cough before vaccines came along. While I do not believe that vaccines in any way cause Autism, i would say that i would rather have a live child with autism than a dead child. But hey that's just me.

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tane55 — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:59:07 -0000

Dont believe all the surveys there are. Working in an office with 3 other assistants and all three have children with Autism, what is that telling you. Don't believe everything you hear from the medical community. They are down playing how many children have Autism. Do you want to risk having your child having Autism? Don't forget the children who have learning disablities or children with ADD. Mercury killed my son. 7 Specialist and not one could figure out why he was sick. He had to die before they figured out it was Mercury that killed him. Do your research, go on line look up Mercury poisoning, or better yet heavy metal poisoning. There is a ton of research material out there. We know we have studied it for two years since my son died.

There is treatment for Heavy Metal Poisoning. Chelation!!

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tane55 — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:35:43 -0000

The point Missed is "That we are all at risk" we have polluted our environment to the point that we all have Heavy Metal Poisioning Mercury is the meanest Kid on the Block. Lead is very dangerous because of it's ability to mutate DNA.

The Point You Should Consider Is get you own body tested for Heavy Metals ( The DMPS Challenge Test Is All We Have )There is a treatment!

There is no safe level of Mercury in the Body.

There is no safe limit for Lead in your body.

Many metal increase the effects of other metals and very little is known

http://www.klinghardt.org/

Google Heavy Metal Poisoning Now !

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joannegmurphy — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:48:03 -0000

The parents may be on to something, but does anyone have an explanation as to why, though millions of kids are vaccinated annually, we only see a handful of cases of autism? If there were a direct connection between the vaccine and the disorder, autism would be epidemic, no?

My heart goes out to these parents and I know if God forbid something terrible happened to my child, I would want to blame someone/something so I didn't go crazy. But surely there has to be a way to refine the association more accurately. For example, what about countries where children are not routinely vaccinated? Is there autism in those countries? If not, the parents may be right. But if autism exists in places with no vaccines, they have a harder case to make.

Conversely, are there highly-vaccinated places with little or no autism?

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jess18 — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 05:22:59 -0000

MikeStanton, in response we vaccinate for things such as chicken pox. What is so horrible about dealing with an itchy child for a few days that we rather risk the possibility of putting harmful chemicals in them? ... Having to vaccinate them multiple times for something they could catch, live with for a few days and most likely never have to experience again. I firmly believe in knowledge and to be knowledgeable about everything. From my understanding many of the vaccines are diseases that can be treated. So i think with the risks involved it comes down to knowledge being the best solution. Know the signs of these so called horrible diseases, Keep a close eye on are loved ones, Don't hesitate to ask questions or see a doctor when concerns arise. Always listen to your conscience and a mothers intuition is a powerful thing. I battle with concerns over this debate all the time. We love are children and want only the best for them. We cant ignore that there is a problem and to me it is obvious common sense just in the fact that with the rise of vaccines there has been arise in autism and other sickness. I would also like to say or ask do you have a child who you have seen regress after being vaccinated?? Have you experienced that lost connection with your child? That forever changing moment in your life? I myself have not, but its in these people you see the power of love and dedication and there reaching out and fighting for are children and seeking knowledge and solution and for that you can not condemn them.

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questor — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:44:23 -0000

Okay, this seems like a largely hostile discussion, so I'm going to go out on a limb and not read each and every comment before posting.

Medical evidence supports a link between the drastic increase in autism and the drastic increase in the number of vaccines given. Dr. Stephanie Cave's book "What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Children's Vaccinations" gives excellent information shot by shot, including convincing scientific documentation of her points. She is a family practitioner who specializes in integrated medical therapies that treat autistic children, as well as those with ADHD.

She notes in particular a huge upswing in cases when HepB was added to the list of vaccinations...basically right at birth. Why? Not because infants are in a high-risk group for HepB; the high-risk groups are people sexually active with multiple partners and IV drug users. Call me crazy, but I think it's perfectly reasonable to hold off a few years on that one. (Don't think Baby Johnny's going to be shooting up until at least the playground years.)

It is a well-know fact that infants' immune systems and ability to process waste are not well-developed at birth. It is also a documented certainty that: a) many of the people who get diseases like chicken pox were immunized in childhood; and b) if they had simply gone through the discomfort of it as a child, it would most likely been annoying for a few days, followed by lifelong immunity. These diseases are nearly always more serious for adults. So immunizing against fairly harmless childhood diseases is pointless and largely counterproductive.

As for not seeing a direct and immediate connection... My son went from being ahead of the game in speech, learning a couple of new words every day when he was less than a year old, to a complete stall and partial regression that lasted for months--all coinciding with his shots. After that, we delayed additional vaccinations and he's regained ground, once again learning at a reasonably fast pace. Circumstantial? Maybe. But I had to weigh the risks and felt that his development was at greater risk than his immunological health in the near term. The CDC has been wrong too many times before, giving vaccines for years, then suddenly pulling them from the shelves. As a society, we're in too big of a hurry on just about everything--including vaccines we shoot straight into our bodies.

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f64club — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:33:09 -0000

As anniepena noted above, parental age is a major risk factor for autism (older sperm and eggs = increased risk for de novo mutations). While the link that she provides points to paternal age, other material that I have read implicates maternal age as well.

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sgoewey — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:06:35 -0000

Thank you holistic mom. I got on to comment, but most of my points would be redundant with yours. Please keep it up! I waste too much time trying to enlighten stubborn minds that want to believe CDC,FDA,pharmaceuticals,Am.Dental Assn, AMA, are all infalliable. And yes, chicken pox is an easy one to eliminate. So is Hep. B...NEVER give on Day 1 of baby's life...though that is SOP. And do not get flu shot. Eat right exercise instead. I know M-M-R...can be serious, but I had all 3 as a child and none were very bad cases. The rally made me sad so many families are affected. So many more could not come. Blogging while your kid sleeps is a lot easier than planning a rally!

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martin1234 — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 02:18:39 -0000

Mike
I think you should rename your blog action for vaccination as it is all you seem to talk about, why is this ?
when are you going to start listening to the carers of these children.the NAS was founded by parents and is failing to listen or take not of world events.

I would love the NAS to commission a real survey (not one one thomas the tank engine videos)
q1 did you child have a severe reaction to any vaccination
q2 does you child have diarrhoeal or constipation that is being treated by a doctor
q3 does you child have food intolerances
q4 do you believe vaccinations contributed to the severity of your childs autism.

btw I had mealses and mumps as a child , my mum tells me the doctor did not think it safe as my sister had asthma.
SO MUCH FOR MEDICAL ADVANCES

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mikestanton — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 20:55:45 -0000

holisticmom,

the diseases we vaccinate against.

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holisticmom — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 14:11:48 -0000

mikestanton, what horrible diseases are you referring to?

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mikestanton — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 13:51:17 -0000

Jess

the chances of children catching these horrible diseases goes up when people do not vaccinate. If we wait until children are "strong enough" to vaccinate what happens if they catch these diseases when they are not strong enough?

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holisticmom — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 12:24:43 -0000

giantrobot - to me regression means a slow turning back, just as you describe. Not necessarily a switch, but a turn around. I apologize for not not being clear. I know for some people it is a switch, but for others it is as the Poling's describe, but the BEGINNING of the regression is immediately after the shots.

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jess18 — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 11:48:02 -0000

Holisticmom, thank you i will definitely look into the information you have provided. I think this is so sad. These are peoples children, lives we are discussing, the love of people lives. Something obviously is not right with are system. There has been a rise in shots along with a rise in autism. What are the chances of an infant or toddler actually catching these horrible diseases that we are to give so many vaccines to are children so young??? If necessary why cant we vaccinated later on when a child is stronger in all areas of growth.

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giantrobot — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 09:29:56 -0000

", I do not know what you are reading or hearing, but EVERY story I have heard (and there have been hundreds I *personally* have read or heard about

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dawncrim — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 06:12:00 -0000

Mike Stanton - You are a complete and hopeless fool. I now see exactly where you obtain your bogus information - "peer reviewed medical journals" - aka, lies, lies, lies.

I, on the other hand have obtained my information from a variety of sources - thousands of parents of vaccine injured children, VAERS, the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, vaccine literature supplied by the drug manufacturers, the CDC's REAL reported disease statistics 1 - 5 years BEFORE each vaccine came on the market, the FDA's claim on their website that they don't test anything, the U.S. Department of Education's statistics on children in IEP's, etc. Those are the facts buddy - the rest is all BS and a waste of good reading time. Vaccines ARE NOT responsible for eradication of disease (based on information obtained from the CDC) AND DO damage at the very minimum - thousands of people each year.

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mikestanton — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 05:51:08 -0000

Holisticmom

I do not know of any investigations into MMR and autism that were funded by the pharmaceutical companies. Though I am uncertain of the sgnificance of this point unless you are saying that academics of the stature of Eric Fombonne and Michael Rutter have been paid to lie about the MMR by pharmaceutical companies.

I do know of a number of studies purporting to show a connection between MMR and autism which were paid for by lawyers acting for parents in vaccine compensation cases. In the UK millions of pounds of tax payers money was paid out in legal aid to finance this. Dr Bustin and Dr Chadwick have since given testimony at the Omnibus Autism Proceedings which showed that the findings from this reseach were fatally flawed.

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Regarding Thiomersal, the trace elements of mercury remaining in vaccines are traces, fractions of a microgram. Remember the claim was that the increase from 75 micrograms to 187 micrograms triggered the increase in autism, not fractions of a microgram. Flu vaccine? The only one licenced for under 2 year olds last year was mercury free.

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Autism as an autoimmune disorder? There is very little research published and the data is contradictory and controversial. Amarel at MIND talks about some children having very robust immune systems and others being sickly. With maybe 1 per cent of the population somewhere on the spectrum you can probably find correlations with anything if you look.

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Cannot beat Mother Nature? Smallpox eradicated - that was a result for us and vaccines.

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holisticmom — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 03:48:30 -0000

Mike, your response to my post is long with many points - I will try to touch on them all. First of all, you say, "the claim that vaccines cause autism is a serious one that has to be met. It used to be that MMR was blamed, especially in the UK." The MMR is still blamed. Wakefield's study was real. Show me a study not funded by the pharmaceutical industry that shows there is no connection and perhaps we can talk.

As to all the "thimerosal-has-been-removed" talk, it really hasn't been removed. There are still trace amounts "allowed" and no one is really overseeing the "trace" amounts. Also, most flu vaccines still contain mercury (you can ask for mercury-free, but with all this propaganda stating that the mercury has been removed from vaccines, most parents probably don't even know to ask for them). Most Hep-B and DTaP vaccines also have mercury. I will try to find you the studies about the "trace amounts" not being so trace at all and will post later.

Lastly, autism is considered by many to be an autoimmune disorder - that means the body is attacking itself. It's not JUST the thimerosal or aluminum or other toxins that cause autism. It's the whole process of the shot. Here is what a friend wrote in a letter to a family member that pretty much covers what I want to say: "When a child is injected (unnaturally) with a vaccine filled with a killed or live virus and other ingredients such as heavy metals,

formaldehyde, neomycin/antibiotics, etc. it bypasses the "built in"

immune system and the foreign "intruders" cause the body to go into a

state of confusion and continuous inflammation--the TH1/2/3 cells are

not activated properly, causing auto-immunity--the body, in essence,

attacks itself, resulting in illnesses like asthma, allergies, autism/

ADHD, eczema, lupus, etc. Consider that vaccines never provide true

immunity, which is why vaccines "wear off" and children need

continuous boosters--and why disease epidemics often occur in fully

or near-fully vaccinated populations."

That is the true reason autism rates haven't gone down when certain ingredients have been removed (or not removed). It's not natural. I wish humans would learn that we can't beat Mother Nature.

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dawncrim — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 03:19:23 -0000

Arthur Allen is actually the person who is full of shit. I've counted countless lies throughout the entire article!

First of all, over 8,000 attendees were at this rally (they also had to preregister for this event). Arthur Allen must be feeding this same bullshit to the U.K. media because they are also claiming fewer than 1,000 people showed up. Lies, lies, lies.

Also, in 1983 Autism affected 1 in 10,000. It now affects 1 in 67 ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CHILDREN (that are in IEP's for Autism) according to the U.S. DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION. Don't believe me? Check this out for yourself.

Also, thousands of parents have claims success with biomedical treatment. Go to www.generationrescue.org Yes, they do blame our "powers that be" for poisoning their children in the first place. Some parents have had to spend as much as $500,000 to get their child back to normal. Others have divorced, committed suicide, or just end up killing themselves and children due to the feeling of hopeless (absolutely no hope according to the so-called medical professionals). Autism is a nightmare.

This guy Arthur Allen is a bozo. I sent him an email asking him to respond to all of my facts (which were statements by the CDC or information dervived from the vaccine literature). Of course, he told me that he didn't have time to respond. My guess is that he has been paid off by "our powers that be". For someone that claims to be such an "expert" on the subject - makes me laugh because everything he states is a blatent lie - and the CDC and drug companies own reported information proves it.

This other guy Mike Stanton is a bozo too. He also has no clue what he is talking about. I guess he forgot that the MMR was removed from the market in Japan believe it caused encephilitis in every 1,044 babies (BRAIN SWELLING). Also, MERCURY HAS NOT BEEN REMOVED IN THE U.S. (only lowered to trace amounts while the aluminum content was sharply raised). Aluminum and mercury combined result in synergystic toxicity (the affects of the mercury are more devastating). An independent lab tested 4 mercury free vials (HAPI) and they all contained mercury. The FDA no longer requires it to be listed if it is in trace amounts (meaning less than .3 micrograms). Of course, they also don't test these vaccines either for exact mercury content(please refer to their website for their drug disclaimer). Furthermore, the ONLY way that mercury is excreted from the body is through bile, which is something an infant does not produce until 6 mo. of age. Where does it go? Straight to the infant's brain - which is why it is not detected in blood, hair, etc (unless the patient is IMMEDIATELY tested after vaccination).

So, with that said, I URGE EVERYONE to refer to this link for vaccine ingredients:

http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf

Print off the vaccine literature from the website, take it to a chemist, and have that person explain the affects of each ingredient. They will tell you that many of these same ingredients are contained in their lab with skulls and crossbones on the label.

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holisticmom — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 03:15:28 -0000

giantrobot, I do not know what you are reading or hearing, but EVERY story I have heard (and there have been hundreds I *personally* have read or heard about - plus thousands and thousands more that I don't know about, I am sure!) have been about how children regress IMMEDIATELY AFTER their shots!! Have you read Evidence of Harm? The one boy started his chronic diarrhea the day he got home from getting his shots!!

If you think we're not "doing our homework," perhaps you should look a little more deeply at yourself. Give me a break!

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giantrobot — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 19:56:50 -0000

I have read through the comments and I must have missed the place where the "green vaccine" crowd answered the questions Mr. Allen posed.

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So, what number of vaccines is too many?

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What vaccines can or should we do without?

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We know that Jenny McCarthy's organization thinks we can (and should) do without Measles, Mumps and Rubella. If that's your position, state it clearly when you talk to the press and your legislators.

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Mr. Carrey put pressure on a group in New Mexico and had a free vaccine clinic cancelled. At least, this is what the blog run by the organization that Ms. McCarthy fronts bragged about recently. Luckily the recent measles outbreak missed New Mexico. I wonder what the response would have been if that area had been hit? Would Dr. Gordon congratulate them on getting natural immunity? Would anyone have accepted some responsibility if anyone was injured or killed?

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giantrobot — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 19:47:54 -0000

"MOST parents of autistic children can pinpoint when their child(ren) started failing

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epiwonk — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:51:07 -0000

Adrienne,

You say,

"Your heels are dug in and your mind will not be changed. I wonder what evidence would change your mind

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mikestanton — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:34:13 -0000

Adrienne,

Wendy Fournier and Arthur Allen have a history. He thinks she is full of shit and told her so. That does not translate into disrespect for all the parents on the march.

Do you have a cite for the 8000 figure? I watched the entire march pass a traffic cam on the Mall and put the numbers at no more than 2000.

Then comes your selective quote:

"(The parents of these children have difficult lives and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to care for their kids.) Feeling ripped off, they blame the government and industry, and say that environmental toxins and vaccines are responsible."

The part you omitted in brackets gives a context for why the parents feel ripped off. I feel ripped off by the way the system dealt with my son. I am sure that timely provision of services and support to parents would do a lot to alleviate this feeling and assist greatly in helping parents come to terms with their child's autism.