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Instead of recognizing it as a philosophical movement of liberation capable of inspiring millions of young Arab men...We're assuming that only the poor, dumb, and child-abused would be attracted to such a force.

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Well equipped, willing, brutal yet tied down by rules of engagement. Underappreciated unless we feel they are needed. Selfless. The US Soldier- the Real Dark Knight. Love or Hate them, they are always watching.

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Scotlaroc — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 04:04:50 -0000

I've read all the coments and people fail to mention the important clues. The Joker (Satan) uses wants and fears (especially money and who makes and controls the money?) to recruit everybody and anybody (he doesn't work alone although it seems so). He recruits the mafia, street thugs, police men and women, people in the justice system and pulls the strings of children with masks and pistols which the police are ready to gun down. He puts men in position in medical garb to assasinate. Who he can't buy he manipulates with fear. He does this with the people on the boats. It was when they could not be bought or motivated by fear that they did the right things. You have to be willing to die to do the right thing especially in extreme conditions. Harvey was a symbol of this path. Although his flesh was ravaged and he did die he still became a martyr, but not one for violence, but for justice and purity of heart. Like Christ his memory will live on. Batman caught the Joker, but did not kill him, but instead jailed him. Michael the Archangel captures Satan, chains him and cast him into the pit. Commissioner Gordon is just a man who has picked the side of justice (rightiousness) to act on and though confused still works with Batman to continue this good, but difficult work. In all the chaos, do we not often blame God for the problems of the world in effect blaming his angels? And also do not people have personal problems and cast judgement on people and things saying it is the devil? If God's ways are mysterious then I believe so is the devil's. And people often, just as Job, are confused between the two to the point where everything is grey. Doesn't the joker wear purple and didn't often kings and religious leaders wear purple? Didn't they manipulate on a mass scale beyond most peoples understanding and not often know who works for them? Isn't the Angel of Death often portrayed as a skeletal figure cloaked in black? Aren't demons portrayed often as having bat wings? So there you have it. The machinations of the devil and the mysteries of God often become blurred to the human eye. Didn't the sight of Angels and Satan and his demons strike fear at times, but at times they appeared beautiful apparently changing costumes at will? The Bible tells us what each one stands for and that even though in reality our lives (for the long haul) are not really in our hands, it's the choice to do good that matters in the end and whether you are a so called law abiding citizen or a convicted criminal we are all in the same boat and it's never to late to make the right choice. And even if we do make the right choice and death is at your front door step, yes some malevolent force can push a button and exterminate us. But, evil will not have our obedience. If the eventuality of all things is death does it matter? You might ask. It claims your life, but not your spirit (not your heart). That is the message of the film. And when we all make that choice, maybe, just maybe, there will be a Dark Knight hidden from us in the shadows fist deep in blood yet wings flying in the heavens to stop Historys Worst Joker from pushing the button. If we fail that test, we will have noone to blame but ourselves. Star Wars, The Matrix, Doctor Who (who has two hearts by the way) use many tricks to fight evil, but in the end it is the heart, it is with love that finally won the day. Vader's love for his son. Smith touched Neo's heart and was vanquished. Doctor Who's love for humanity and a little help from assistants helped him win battle after battle. The war is on going. Like positive and negative, matter and antimatter they are always drawn to one another and only through contact do you find either cancellation or cooperation. The out come is impossible for man to predict most of the time. Man is too small to understand all the things, but from what we can see, life is constantly growing, making, spreading, consuming destroying and rebuilding. It is the way of the universe. Perhaps that is the way of God and his reflection of it is seen here on earth. If government and world government has become a wild beast, ask yourself who is the harlot that is riding it? Remember Sin City? Who controled the assassin? Who is drunk off the blood of martyrs and holy ones? Rev. 17. I think a major world wide battle is about to occur and noone will be safe. Let us all pray that the Ultimate Dark Knight comes to the rescue.

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Scotlaroc — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 01:49:42 -0000

The problem is that 10000 years from now, none of this will exist. So, the Satanic philosophy says nothing matters and to do what you want. The God philosophy says obey me and you will be rewarded with liberation from the chaos of time, eternal peace. So, is it real or isn't it? Is it a lie or isn't it? Is it just a game played by higher beings the same as we play chess? If it is then choice is an illusion. Maybe understanding why we do the things we do is why we go on. Maybe it's just preprogramed habit. Maybe wanting change is watching the world burn. Maybe having your parent tell you not to touch the flame because it will burn you is not the same as experiencing a burn itself. To want power you must desire control over your life. For the long haul, to control your life you must be willing to control others lives. Eventually others will want control to counteract your control and one thing will lead to another. A rock or a mountain can sit for a very long time which seems almost eternal. The facts show that given enough time even the pyramids will turn to dust and constant rain fall, freezes and heat can shatter any stone given enough time. If all life is just one prodigious gag real, perhaps what it means to be in the image of Him is to laugh right along with him and fear not and hate not knowing that all that exists will one day cease to exist. The promise of being taken into the realm of a timeless existence all hinges on your belief. In one way or another, eventually, all will be taken. Perhaps I'm just praddling on but lastly I will share something personal. Many years ago I had a dream. For years I have tried to decipher it, but I have not been able until recently, I think. I dreamed of a god like figure like something Michaelangelo carved himself. He was striking with a fury that I had never seen swinging a black smith's hammer in his left hand upon an object in his right which he was squeezing intensely upon an anvil. As I approached closer I saw blood every where from his chest to the floor to the anvil. This being had ripped his own heart out of his chest and was striking it into a shiny metal, silver perhaps. As I got closer he turned and looked me in the eyes and to my own horror... hmmmm, well let's leave something to the imagination. You guess. I've been at a loss for years, but recent events I think have given me some insight. I don't see the point in telling or else you'll miss the point. I will say I believe this... the cost of power is too great, often you become what you despise. I think it's impossible for the Batman to do what he does without (whether it be accidental or intentional) becoming what he despises. Can he live with that? Could you?

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beandipdave — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:55:10 -0000

bewillderd, you are, whats that word.....................fu#$@*# retarded!!! Man, people are so brain washed in this country! PLEASE wake up people, please!

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Joe — Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:01:18 -0000

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kathleen — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:21:33 -0000

Spencer if you as well as the Bush Cheney regime continue to ignore some of the core issues that has continually been aggravating the situation in the middle east...U.S. military bases on Muslims holy land and what many Muslims see as the seepage of the dark side of U.S.'s culture on their populations, the lop sided policies of many U.S. administrations in the Israeli Palestinian conflict, the unwillingness of Israel to sign onto the IAEA non proliferation treaty while demanding that their neighbors abide by this treaty...then you obviously are unable to look at this issue clearly due to your own biases.

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bwillderd — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:30:35 -0000

You really have to jump through some hoops with multiple spins to come to some of the conclusions many of you have managed in these comments. Throughout our history, there have been leaders who have committed 'un-American' acts in order to secure the future from chaos. Abraham Lincoln is the most egregious example. Roosevelt is a close second. Bush is a minor example. At times, they endured ridicule, approbation and outright hatred because they did what had to be done, and often those things made us squirm as we express the outrage appropriate to the clueless. Those leaders accepted that burden. In the light of history, we condemn their 'failures' to live up to the American ideals, but we honor them for the courage and steadfastness in the face of
that which would destroy us.

Why did the victims on the boats have the luxury of deciding by taking no action? Because they lived in a society where others made those decisions for them, and this instance was no different. Had they all been killed, they would not have been celebrated as noble martyrs for 'good', they would have been seen as victims of the failures of those they had become reliant upon for protection. It was Batman's fault, or Bush's.

You seem to miss your part in the play as you assign identities to the characters. You are the judgmental, ungrateful, accusatory, clueless public who use the freedoms secured for you by leaders whom you bitterly denounce. Until you feel safe again, at which time you will build monuments to the memory of their service and say you were for them all along, but wish they hadn't done some of those awful things along the way.

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truepatriot — Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:12:41 -0000

...Kenneth R. Miller). And just because you don't like what you're reading right now, don't hide your head in the sand. Bush supporters--stop with the cognitive dissonance, please. If you don't know what a signing statement is, or gerrymandering, or are unfamiliar with Richard Clarke's memo, Google is your friend

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truepatriot — Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:09:50 -0000

The framers, in all their wisdom, did their best to form a system that would safeguard democracy. To do this, they created various checks and balances. Many in America want to destroy this; some without realizing it, others with full intent.

Our founding fathers first goal was to prevent tyranny. With reference to the executive branch, they wanted to ensure transparency, accountability, and prevent a president from being above the rule of law. In this regard, the Bush/Cheney administration has had the worst record.

Aside from the will of the people as expressed through elections, there is separation of powers. Within congress there is the house and the senate as a check and balance, and combined, congress is supposed to provide oversight for the executive and judicial branches. Congress has failed to oversee the executive branch, initially due to being a

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feanor70115 — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:05:19 -0000

Here's how I've just responded to a friend's blog post in which he asks us to comment on Mr. Ackerman's views:

I'm not familiar with the Washington Independent, so I can't really qualify my opinion with any information about its editorial bias, if it has one.

In any event, I find that their language trivializes, over and over again, the issues they are discussing. Batman having a strict inhibition against taking life is merely "moral hand-wringing." While they are happy to dissect the Batman's motives, they take the Joker at face value. The entire point of the Joker, whatever his metaphorical relationship with any real-world figure, is that he is the opposite of one's conscience: insane, nihilistic, exploiting any and every vulnerability and turning decency into a weakness. Bob Kane did perhaps his only piece of compelling writing the first time he described the rictus forming on the dead face of one of the Joker's victims in 1939 or so. Making the victims of murder smile was the Joker's joke.

The Joker says that the key to beating him is to become as nihilistic as he is? So what? When does he say anything but to manipulate others?

Moreover, the writer seems to be trying to make a point that his own evidence doesn't back up: Batman's would-be love is disenchanted and chooses the symbol of upstanding law and order. Alfred nearly loses patience with his obsessive and relentless methods. Commissioner Gordon only reluctantly accepts his help. And furthermore, except for the cell-phone spying helping to catch the Joker (and neutralise the bumbling cops), it never does any good when Batman crosses a moral line. Doing so is just playing the Joker's game.

The writer really betrays his bias with this:

"That, in the final analysis, is what the Joker is really interested in: to deprive Gotham of its hero, its hope, and its soul. Batman, in other words, must "work, though, sort of the dark side, if you will. We've got to spend time in the shadows.""

Applying Dick Cheney's words to the Batman is a cheap trick, commonly known as putting words in someone's mouth. Those words are revelatory about Cheney and no one else.

The cell-phone spying thing as a metaphor for war-on-terror policies is obviously true. It's equally a metaphor for Lincoln suspending the writ of habeas corpus or Roosevelt interning suspected enemy sympathizers (thousands of whom were actually of European descent). The fact that the power was laid down afterwards - something the Bush Administration has no intention of doing - is also telling, and is a metaphor for Roman dictators through Sulla among other historical antecedents. I seem to recall that the film actually referred to Cincinattus.

Also, the writer makes the mistake of assuming that because any one questionable Bush war-on-terror policy is evil, they all must be. Why? Because they're associated with Bush and Cheney. Further, the writer just doesn't understand that the screenwriters knew they were writing fiction. Torture is, by any sane moral calculus, excusable in a ticking-bomb scenario when one has the actual perpetrator in custody. However, that scenario has never happened and probably never will. Finally, the writer absolutely misses or misinterprets the abundance of material in the film that counters his position.

Anyhow, my take on the film is that it encourages the audience to think about those issues and draw its own conclusions. If Spencer Ackerman thinks that the film sided with Bush, it's because he admits the superiority of that side's argument (one I would not concede). I note he doesn't spend any time proposing an alternative take on the story, one which would support the other side.